jf1960
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Was there not a story which seems to have disappeared now of a Tournament Abroad in which some of Boys Club players were told to phone home and say they won it with Tommy Burns scoring the winner ?
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GovanBlueNose
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He didn't force them. That's because they were frightened to death. They would have done anything he asked.
blueman1960
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This was what I was going to ask you about but was not sure of their being a link to their church.
The reason for the above is because of the scandals that hit them in Ireland and you know how they like to move their so called priest from country to country it was always my suspicion that they had.
I think this is why our so called government will not have an enquiry into them and as others have eluded to they have far too much influence on the government for their own ends.
I hope you and the others are who are involved in this are doing OK and this has not overwhelmed you's.
Quite possibly the guy has issues with this and may not be up for the hassle that would come his way.
It isn't quite as simple as it may sound to you. Let the guy do his own thing.
Grigo Yossarian
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You're absolutely right GB.
Jaws2
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To be fair to Brazil, he did speak out publicly about Torbett and also rubbished the "separate entity" nonsense.
One of the first to do so.
Lurgan Loyal
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Almost like some type of Stockholm Syndrome.
47blue
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His beloved 'prophet' was no stranger to the slave trade.
Coop1872
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Brazil calls for changes
ALAN Brazil has called for clubs whose staff sexually abuse youngsters to be kicked out of the league.In his autobiography There's An...
Even stranger that he once called for clubs to be thrown out of football.
Lurgan Loyal
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Brazil calls for changes
ALAN Brazil has called for clubs whose staff sexually abuse youngsters to be kicked out of the league.In his autobiography There's An...www.eadt.co.uk
Even stranger that he once called for clubs to be thrown out of football.
Wow, good find that.
That’s awkward for them.
Bluethunder
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The evidence is out there mate and by %^*&,we are finding it....tick tock timmy
I don’t think anybody should need to explain why they reacted how they did and continue to. Nobody can know how they’d react and what they’d do because they don’t know how it would affect them. Many feel guilt and embarrassment which isn’t ideal for people opening up.
Jaws2
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It's a terrible thing to happen to anyone and you can only imagine how much anger, pain and unjustified guilt victims must have carried with them for decades.
For anyone to speak out about these things must be incredibly difficult and you can only admire their bravery.
marmaladebear
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Someone with the same mindset and someone who had in all probability been previously abusing him before inviting him to run CBC. He needed to be brought into the fold to prevent him from speaking out of turn.
Coza
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Can anyone confirm/clarify this. Had a few Celtic supporting friends try the old “Strachan and Neely” line of whataboutery defence.
Grigo Yossarian
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Neely & Dunn were at Rangers mate.
Strachan very much a Tim & a real perverted guy if you read his case.
Coza
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So basically Tim’s mixing names of nonces up. Cheers.
Talktalk
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Dunne was only for a short time as he was at Hearts then various other clubs down south but he was definitely at Rangers for a short time, my mate who was at Rangers as you know left Hearts to get away from the lowlife can’t only for him to follow a year later
Grigo Yossarian
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Strachan 100% scum mate.
The new part of this story is finding the link to prove the formal relationship between the scum & Celtic East ie Strachan.
This pervo will be out of jail soon.
RMHBear
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and also conveniently ignoring the fact that Hibs knew about Neely and watched him go to Rangers without saying a single word of warning
alexg123
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Wasn't he the one that sexually abused an 18 month old toddler among his other victims Grigo ?
Grigo Yossarian
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Yes Alex. Really horrible stuff.
alexg123
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Thought it was him Grigo , so many perverts involved with that rat hole my old brain can hardly keep up with it , Thanks Mate !
Kbhblue
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Trueblueal
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They've had so many it's hard for even the obsessed to keep track
Sancus
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Separate thread on Strachan. Harrowing to say the least.
Secretary at east coast Celtic feeder club was child abuser
https://apple.news/AcCvX1MNKQuOtWteVEo1uyQ Celtic FC created and funded a second feeder club which became embroiled in its own child abuse scandal, The Times can reveal. The Parkhead club has repeatedly distanced itself from systemic abuse at Celtic Boys Club in which four members, including...
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johnnylittle
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Ask the SNP.
Sancus
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This is from The Celtic Wiki and refers to Kevin Kelly and how Hugh Birt tried to warn him of Torbett. Not conclusive proof but another indication of the chatter that was going around about ‘who knew’.
Sadly, his judgement was further tainted years later when revelations were revealed that he had entered business relations with Jim Torbett who later was found guilty of child abuse against young boys in the Celtic Boys Club. This does not mean that Kevin Kelly was aware in whole or in part of any of the wrong doings. Jim Torbett had once been released from Celtic Boys Club but later returned a number of years later. Kevin Kelly & Jim Torbett were both involved in the Trophy Centre shops in Glasgow.
The question is what did Kevin Kelly know or not on the events surrounding Jim Torbett? Was he able to help those affected, or did the poor management at Celtic provide the environment to allow Jim Torbett to proceed with his actions? One statement in court (by Hugh Birtt) claimed that he had tried to inform Kevin Kelly (and other board members) of concerns over Jim Torbett and that Kevin Kelly will have (allegedly) known about the concerns on Jim Torbett. Kevin Kelly strongly denied being aware of allegations concerning Torbett when he returned to the Boys Club, and told the BBC that he was not aware of any previous allegations against Torbett until his court case in the 1990s.
In fairness, Jim Torbett and his ilk have a knack to pull the wool over the eyes of everyone and that is what happened at Celtic, as the victims were too young to come forward (it takes a lot of bravery & understanding) and it was a different time. These cases have occurred across a number of football clubs in the UK (including Hibs & Rangers).
It may not be fair to taint Kevin Kelly with what occurred, but on top of all his mishandling whilst at Celtic, this in addition to all else sadly doesn't help his case. Kevin Kelly is a good decent man from all the reports we have on him from people, and from the information we have to date, we do not believe he would have been party to anything that occurred but answers must be given where possible for the benefit of the victims and their families.
Sadly, his judgement was further tainted years later when revelations were revealed that he had entered business relations with Jim Torbett who later was found guilty of child abuse against young boys in the Celtic Boys Club. This does not mean that Kevin Kelly was aware in whole or in part of any of the wrong doings. Jim Torbett had once been released from Celtic Boys Club but later returned a number of years later. Kevin Kelly & Jim Torbett were both involved in the Trophy Centre shops in Glasgow.
The question is what did Kevin Kelly know or not on the events surrounding Jim Torbett? Was he able to help those affected, or did the poor management at Celtic provide the environment to allow Jim Torbett to proceed with his actions? One statement in court (by Hugh Birtt) claimed that he had tried to inform Kevin Kelly (and other board members) of concerns over Jim Torbett and that Kevin Kelly will have (allegedly) known about the concerns on Jim Torbett. Kevin Kelly strongly denied being aware of allegations concerning Torbett when he returned to the Boys Club, and told the BBC that he was not aware of any previous allegations against Torbett until his court case in the 1990s.
In fairness, Jim Torbett and his ilk have a knack to pull the wool over the eyes of everyone and that is what happened at Celtic, as the victims were too young to come forward (it takes a lot of bravery & understanding) and it was a different time. These cases have occurred across a number of football clubs in the UK (including Hibs & Rangers).
It may not be fair to taint Kevin Kelly with what occurred, but on top of all his mishandling whilst at Celtic, this in addition to all else sadly doesn't help his case. Kevin Kelly is a good decent man from all the reports we have on him from people, and from the information we have to date, we do not believe he would have been party to anything that occurred but answers must be given where possible for the benefit of the victims and their families.
johnnylittle
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Sancus
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Again, from the Celtic Wiki about Kevin Kelly. Although he became a director in 1971, he was shadowing Robert Kelly for years before that. He may have had influence around 1966 when the boys club was being set up.
Having been reared in the traditions of the club since birth he had the interesting position of shadowing Celtic chairman Bob Kelly prior to the Jock Stein years to learn how a chairman was to work in times of adversity before getting a prime seat watching Celtic through nine in a row
Having been reared in the traditions of the club since birth he had the interesting position of shadowing Celtic chairman Bob Kelly prior to the Jock Stein years to learn how a chairman was to work in times of adversity before getting a prime seat watching Celtic through nine in a row
Noddy
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His minimum term was halved to nine years on appeal in 2011, so he was due for release sometime in 2020 according to this.
Neil Strachan's minimum sentence cut to nine years
A man who was part of a paedophile gang in Edinburgh has his minimum sentence almost halved by appeal judges.
www.bbc.co.uk
Aspley1 Ger
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Hibs owner Kenny Waugh knew Neely was abusing boys there but rather than report to police he kicked him out.
Neely should never have been allowed to join Rangers. Neely was reported for inappropriate behaviour by a police officer father of a boy whilst at Rangers.
Rangers removed him and reported him to police.
Neely never worked in football again. That is the difference.
His minimum term was halved to nine years on appeal in 2011, so he was due for release sometime in 2020 according to this.
Neil Strachan's minimum sentence cut to nine years
A man who was part of a paedophile gang in Edinburgh has his minimum sentence almost halved by appeal judges.www.bbc.co.uk
He’ll be out already. He was convicted in 2009, so would have been released in 2018.
Noddy
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You're right, mate. I edited my post twice and still managed to make a c**t of it.
It’s scary to think that this animal could be anywhere near kids in any situation.
This is why the members of the board who are still alive should be interviewed under oath before they pass or can claim they have dementia.
I have mentioned here before that in one of his books or in an interview Archie Macpherson vehemently asserted that BJ did not know. Anyone believing that as gospel is denying the vice-like grip he wielded over every aspect of the running of that club ( apart from the gate receipts). Sean Fallon as his number two would have known what was going on around the club too.
TynesideTrueBlue
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Just in regards to a poster talking about Alan Brazil it has always amazed me that for someone who went through such a horrific ordeal of child abuse, he still supports and follows that same club till this day so passionately and apparently behind the scenes is as much a mentally challenged bigot.
If this had happened to me as much as I love Rangers theirs no way I could act the same way, I would be exposing the club and taking it down as much I could, this isn’t normal behaviour or is it.
If this had happened to me as much as I love Rangers theirs no way I could act the same way, I would be exposing the club and taking it down as much I could, this isn’t normal behaviour or is it.
Bobafett Bear
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One of the guys who was abused by two different officials at different times still takes his kids now to CP and all three have season tickets.
A club like no other indeed!
A club like no other indeed!
Sancus
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I’m afraid Archie is another who is in awe of “Mr Stein” as he likes to refer to him. It’s almost a badge of honour as they tell of Stein shouting at them or telling them to “fcuk off”, and describe him as a “character” rather than the bully he undoubtedly was. Chick Young is another who is nauseatingly fawning when it comes to Stein.
Alan Brazil lays bare Steins character in his book when he describes him being effectively blackmailed by Stein over a bet. This was the manager of the Scotland national team, a prime job at the time, reduced to hustling a player over a bet on the Derby! Brazil never gave in to Stein and was dropped despite being on the form of his life.
Bluethunder
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I read that shite online,the last paragraph about being decent etc is a cut n paste job and can be found word for word on other profiles of theirs.
As long as the SNP are in power would probably be the simple answer to that. Something we learnt a while back now and we have the correspondence to prove it.
Another major problem is the SFA, not only at the time but also now. We have proof of how the SFA treated the victims. We have it in black and white and we will go public with it. This will show exactly what the SFA done and how they treated these poor victims after they came forward.
Grigo Yossarian
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Agree. I read it & it's BS.
He convened a meeting that involved Torbett & Cairney to push Mr Birt out of the door.
KEVIN KELLY KNEW.
Sancus
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Agree with the last paragraph. It was more the bit about Birt in court, and other board members knowing that struck me.
DadoBear
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It amazes me that in today’s “Woke” society with everyone falling over each other to be outraged by everything, that what went on at CBC and subsequent coverups and the continual child rape carried out by the RCC hasn’t resulted in the same vehement placard waving protests.
Given Celtic’s well known “proud” links with the Roman cult it is another example of the power the RCC has over not only its own congregation but the fear it strikes into wider society who seem reluctant to stand up to it and ask the obvious questions namely “why do your employees rape small children all over the world and what gives you the right to cover up these serious crimes and DEAL with them internally”?
Why is there still not the appetite to close both these organisations down? The News of the World was closed down after public revulsion at Millie Dowlers phone being hacked. What is it going to take ffs?
Given Celtic’s well known “proud” links with the Roman cult it is another example of the power the RCC has over not only its own congregation but the fear it strikes into wider society who seem reluctant to stand up to it and ask the obvious questions namely “why do your employees rape small children all over the world and what gives you the right to cover up these serious crimes and DEAL with them internally”?
Why is there still not the appetite to close both these organisations down? The News of the World was closed down after public revulsion at Millie Dowlers phone being hacked. What is it going to take ffs?
Grigo Yossarian
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Absolutely correct Apsley.
Grigo Yossarian
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Johnny, he was convicted in 2009 at the age of 41. He's only 52ish now. He's almost
definitely walking the streets too, as his appeal saw his heinous crimes reduced to
only 9 years sentence.
I have never seen anything suggesting he is dead mate.
