We've ran at a loss for years and without doing so we cannot and will not bridge the financial gap to them. We have no choice.
We have to get close to what they're spending salary wise. If we don't, there will be a clear gap between us and them over the long run. They'll have better players than us.
Now their salaries will likely come down as ours increase, but ultimately that's just going to change the size of the loss before player trading/CL money, rather than change whether we have a loss at all.
We won't really know until the season has ended but for QR3 based on this season yes out current coefficient is 19.250So if we win the league, will we be seeded in the CL quilfier? Surely our coefficient is rising as a club?
The correlation between wage expenditure and league position is well established. If we do not spend what they do, they will win more than we do.I disagree that we have to get our salaries to their level Buff. I’d suggest that the optimum squad size for us is very close to where we now are, with a couple out & a couple of upgrades in.
To me, we already have a squad that can be successful, with a little injury luck.
The Castore deal & the EL Group money, coupled with the SD bullshit ending, means we should now be very close to break even if you ignore the directors notional interest, which is a reasonable thing to do.
Recent threads on here also suggest that we have a player pool value of maybe close to 100m, so there is good reason to think that purchases & sales over the next 5 years anyway won’t be a net cash outflow too.
To me we are very close to a workable medium to long term successful position.
correct mateScottish football “didn’t need or want us “ it has suffered as a result it is only now we are back much to their disgust that the co efficient is getting better they will never admit it tho so in answer to your question I think we all know who has cut their noses to spite their face
The correlation between wage expenditure and league position is well established. If we do not spend what they do, they will win more than we do.
And increasing wage expenditure doesn't necessarily mean increasing squad size - it means increasing wages for existing players to maximise value and to recruit even better players.
The directors are fully aware of this. It's long been our goal to get into a position where we're selling a player or making the CL groups to cover the wage bill. Because if we're doing so, it means we have a squad of really good players that are successful.
We either bridge the gap or accept winning the odd league every five years.
If Celtic pick up a win tonight and it extends Lennons stay of execution by a week or two, that’s a good outcome for us.
I won’t be cheering for that, but I’ll be absolutely fine with it if it happens
It is not about how much you spend, it is about how wisely you spend itThe correlation between wage expenditure and league position is well established. If we do not spend what they do, they will win more than we do.
And increasing wage expenditure doesn't necessarily mean increasing squad size - it means increasing wages for existing players to maximise value and to recruit even better players.
The directors are fully aware of this. It's long been our goal to get into a position where we're selling a player or making the CL groups to cover the wage bill. Because if we're doing so, it means we have a squad of really good players that are successful.
We either bridge the gap or accept winning the odd league every five years.
It's the only logical solution. If you think that we're simply going to remain more efficient than Celtic forever then that's significantly more unrealistic than anything I've proposed.I know what you’re saying but just think it’s a big simplification, and that it assumes that money spent will directly equate to performance which doesn’t happen nearly as much as the theory suggests.
I could give many examples but I’m sure you know them anyway.
And if you suggest you have board or management contacts that suggest that’s our objective, then I’m disappointed in them.
Same sentiments here mate - so long as the poets win or drop enough points that helps the coefficient, but dumps them out at the group stage, I’m happy.If Celtic pick up a win tonight and it extends Lennons stay of execution by a week or two, that’s a good outcome for us.
I won’t be cheering for that, but I’ll be absolutely fine with it if it happens
It's critical to spend money efficiently. Celtic have been really wasteful with all the millions they got through entry in to the CL by default with ridiculous purchases, a huge squad and overpaid numpties. We can't and won't do that.I know what you’re saying but just think it’s a big simplification, and that it assumes that money spent will directly equate to performance which doesn’t happen nearly as much as the theory suggests.
I could give many examples but I’m sure you know them anyway.
And if you suggest you have board or management contacts that suggest that’s our objective, then I’m disappointed in them.
Celtic's underlying numbers are awful, where ours are very good. It looks as if the teams have flip-flopped from Gerrards first season.I dont mean to sound like I'm having a go mate, but I dont understand why anyone thinks Lennons job is remotely in trouble. They are 3pts behind if they win their game in hand and hes won* every trophy hes went for. Its a complete fallacy to suggest hes even remotely under pressure of the sack. He could lose his next 2 games and still not be in any danger whatsoever of losing his job. Its a narrative being pushed by the mhanks who see their precious "ten" being thrown away.
They are hemorrhaging money, so if they did sack him. Thats more money down the pan, then they would be under pressure to replace him with a "name" so thats more money. They don't have it, and quite honestly Lennons a useful patsy for their board to throw under a bus when we win 55.
Sorry about the rant. I just keep seeing this narrative appear, and supposed bears hoping they win games to keep him in a job that hes not even in danger of losing in the first place
There’s no hope of them getting to the business end of the league either so when do they play their “best” players?"Clubs should play fringe players in Europe. Why risk their best players when there is no hope of getting to the business end of the competitions?"
This was said to me by a Kilmarnock fan when I said the other Scottish teams needed to do better in Europe. Stupid, small club mentality.
Sorry....all their fans want us pumped so I want them all out asap.Would be fine by me if the likes of Aberdeen or Motherwell managed to somehow get through to the group stages.
They deserve all they get. They are so blind in their hatred for us that they can't see the bigger picture. On balance and for the sake of the Co efficient there's no one else to lay a glove on any European counterparts but them and even they have been shown up big time.Don't think supporting them would make a blind bit of difference. Like wee davie the bluenose wanting motherwell to beat beer sheeva wouldn't have changed the outcome, the problem is the other teams in this country are utter pish and given the contempt these clubs have shown towards us I'll never be anything but happy at them getting pumped out.
I agree with and endorse this statement 100%I never want to see any club other than us from this country to win or even draw in europe. Some on here gave a very short memory.
Celtic's underlying numbers are awful, where ours are very good. It looks as if the teams have flip-flopped from Gerrards first season.
Neil Lennon getting the sack is only a matter of time unless he can arrest Celtic's poor performances and get them playing within a system again. He's shown absolutely no ability to do that.
His sacking is not a case of if, but when.
You can disagree all you like, the facts are their underlying numbers are terrible and if they continue on this trajectory they will drop more points than us.I disagree mate. For as bad as theyve played and outwith the old firm theyve only dropped 4pts. The same number as us. Bad performances aren't relevant if they get results. I actually expect them to take maximum points before we play them again.
Heres a scenario as well, we could easily drop points against Kille, then momentum could swing back their way.
We should want them to lose every single game, and hope they turn on themselves and implode. That means to hell with the coefficient I hope Lille scud them tonight
Absolutely, it all helps with our national coefficient and we cannot do it all on our own.Would be fine by me if the likes of Aberdeen or Motherwell managed to somehow get through to the group stages.
You can disagree all you like, the facts are their underlying numbers are terrible and if they continue on this trajectory they will drop more points than us.
The only thing that can save Lennon and Celtic is if they can improve those numbers. But they're still declining, so that's unlikely.
5 nil pleaseI want them absolutely destroyed tonight.
xG, xGA, xGD, xG/Attempt, xG from Build up play.What underlying numbers mate?
Despite all their claims otherwise, Celtic have been riding their luck for most of this season.xG, xGA, xGD, xG/Attempt, xG from Build up play.
All of these numbers have absolutely cratered for them since last season. In fact, their xGD/90 is almost half of ours, which means they'll be constantly playing in closer games than we are.
When you're playing in closer games, variance is higher and you'll drop more points.
Scottish football in a nutshell. The prize is getting into top six so they get one more home game versus us or the dark side. That is the full extent of their ambition."Clubs should play fringe players in Europe. Why risk their best players when there is no hope of getting to the business end of the competitions?"
This was said to me by a Kilmarnock fan when I said the other Scottish teams needed to do better in Europe. Stupid, small club mentality.
you're happy for selic to get into europe every year??Reality is, as we have proved the last two season, Rangers and Celtic need to pick up coefficient points for it to benefit the league as a whole.
Im quite happy for Celtic to have a CL budget but only make the Europa League each season.
Then for us to win 55 and thanks to our own achievements in Europe, qualify for the CL group stages.
Quite happy with that...
To be honest mate it depends by what you mean by won every trophy. The league cup was won by a clear offside goal. The league was awarded to them .to if he wins the Scottish cup then he has only legitimately won one trophy from last season.I dont mean to sound like I'm having a go mate, but I dont understand why anyone thinks Lennons job is remotely in trouble. They are 3pts behind if they win their game in hand and hes won* every trophy hes went for. Its a complete fallacy to suggest hes even remotely under pressure of the sack. He could lose his next 2 games and still not be in any danger whatsoever of losing his job. Its a narrative being pushed by the mhanks who see their precious "ten" being thrown away.
They are hemorrhaging money, so if they did sack him. Thats more money down the pan, then they would be under pressure to replace him with a "name" so thats more money. They don't have it, and quite honestly Lennons a useful patsy for their board to throw under a bus when we win 55.
Sorry about the rant. I just keep seeing this narrative appear, and supposed bears hoping they win games to keep him in a job that hes not even in danger of losing in the first place
We won't really know until the season has ended but for QR3 based on this season yes out current coefficient is 19.250
All down to which teams are actually in
Despite all their claims otherwise, Celtic have been riding their luck for most of this season.