British Super League being Planned in Secret with Celtic and Rangers Invited

Lovenkrands said:
This is unlikely to happen, but as I said before Rangers only owe it to themselves to explore any opportunity available.

The ESL has failed for now, but in my opinion they’ll be back before long. Football is changing and we need to be alert to that.

For example had the ESL instead of being a closed shop proposed say setting up 3 leagues of 20 teams with promotion and relegation, with those 12 starting off in the top, I think they would have got enough traction.

Being stuck in Scotland in an eternal fight with them is depressing, and doesn’t have any ambition for me.

Some say we would be another Everton, Newcastle etc. and if managed poorly we could be. Is it not better though to have the opportunity if we get it right to have a chance to compete for the biggest trophies around? That can’t happen if we remain in Scotland, no matter what is tried.

I’ve read a couple in the last few days want to go down a socialist route and spread the wealth around Scottish football to make it competitive. All that would do would decrease our budget further making it even more difficult to compete in Europe.

It seems some just like the idea of beating cannon fodder up here 3 or 4-0 and I’m surprised how many seem to suggest they would fall away if we weren’t doing well in England.

Anyway it’s not happening, but I think some lack ambition for Rangers.
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Can you define ambition please?

You sound almost rueful about the passing of the Super League. What appeal would seeing Rangers in that have had for you?

If football is changing, as you say, then clearly nobody has told the supporters.

It saddens me you think wanting to have nothing to do with these monstrosities is "lacking ambition for Rangers". Cause I just don't see the appeal in these things. What are they for? Pure revenue generating exercises.

Would you even gain any pleasure from seeing Rangers competing in a "Super League"? Give me the trophies, real trophies, that we've spent the last century and a half striving to win. They mean something. Even if the eternal struggle with Celtic is something which "depresses" you.
 
The Dude said:
And history shows them repeatedly rejecting any attempts to restructure the league that denies them cash from gates against us. History also shows us that the SPFL's TV deals are entirely dependent on Rangers and Celtic.
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They do not want us, but if they have to have us, they want their pound of flesh.
 
Many people on here saying that they crave European football and that is where the team proves itself. Please stop and ask why that is. We are used to watching matches against low level teams in low level stadia. Europe is a welcome release for management, players and fans 8 or so times a season on average. Imagine having that same release every weekend. Welcoming big English teams every other weekend and visiting their grounds every other weekend. You wouldnt miss Europe (if indeed that was the case) as much as you think.
 
Northampton_Loyalist said:
In 2012 they literally voted to kill us. It took the lower leagues accepting Rangers to keep the club going.
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In 2012, Rangers fans wanted that outcome (us not being in the SPL). If Scottish football isn't so reliant on us, why do clubs keep rejecting moving away from four games against each other a season? Why did the SPL clubs take control of the SFL's TV revenue in 2012?
 
The Dude said:
In 2012, Rangers fans wanted that outcome (us not being in the SPL). If Scottish football isn't so reliant on us, why do clubs keep rejecting moving away from four games against each other a season? Why did the SPL clubs take control of the SFL's TV revenue in 2012?
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See post 603
 
The more I have thought about it I would be for it. Make a 5 tier football pyramid and bring all the UK clubs together. Will help a lot of them grow (ourselves included) and save a lot of smaller clubs going out the game due to Covid. The semi pro teams in the leagues should form a semi pro league. This UK League would just be for pro teams.
 
CooperOnTheWing said:
It wouldn’t be paid for by the club, it would be by the EPL collectively, in the same manner as with the Championship. It won’t happen though, but it would need to if i was to support it.
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Sorry I was talking about if this wasn’t an option and we were staying in Scottish football as we are now.

Some had suggested we need to start redistributing the wealth to make it competitive.

If we left for England or an European League I honestly couldn’t care less about any other club and what financial package was available to them.
 
The Dude said:
They do want us because they know that without us, they small slice of a little they have just now becomes a big slice of %^*& all if we go.
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They dont want us they want the money we bring ,all you hear from other fans is ugly sisters this ugly sisters that and they would be happy if we left but they still want the money we bring in
 
The Dude said:
They do want us because they know that without us, they small slice of a little they have just now becomes a big slice of %^*& all if we go.
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In 2012 we were kicked out of the SPFL before any agreement had been reached with the lower leagues. Between the 2 we literally did not have anywhere to play. The clubs were more than happy to take the risk that Rangers would not exist as a club. There was over a week between the vote to kick us out of the SPL and the vote to allow us into the 3rd division.


That is not the result of a vote held by clubs that wanted us to survive, or even particularly cared if we did.


The fact we did survive, thrived even, means we remained the single biggest draw and if we were going to survive, they sure as hell wanted their cash from us.


They stabbed us, rolled us into a ditch and left us to fend for ourselves, wounded. The fact they kept our UTR number going in order to levy a tax if we somehow pulled through is not a sign they wanted us to live, it is a sign they saw us perhaps alive and wanted to milk as much cash as they could get.
 
The Dude said:
So these clubs are all happy to forfeit this money now?
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They had a straight choice in 2012 between a shot at killing us and keeping the cash. The chose to take the shot at killing us. The fact they want the cash now we are not dead does not mean that the cash was their first choice.
 
Northampton_Loyalist said:
In 2012 we were kicked out of the SPFL before any agreement had been reached with the lower leagues. Between the 2 we literally did not have anywhere to play. The clubs were more than happy to take the risk that Rangers would not exist as a club. There was over a week between the vote to kick us out of the SPL and the vote to allow us into the 3rd division.


That is not the result of a vote held by clubs that wanted us to survive, or even particularly cared if we did.


The fact we did survive, thrived even, means we remained the single biggest draw and if we were going to survive, they sure as hell wanted their cash from us.


They stabbed us, rolled us into a ditch and left us to fend for ourselves, wounded. The fact they kept our UTR number going in order to levy a tax if we somehow pulled through is not a sign they wanted us to live, it is a sign they saw us perhaps alive and wanted to milk as much cash as they could get.
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An agreement couldn't be reached with the SFL until we were no longer SPL members. Many Rangers fans were just as happy to take that risk and were demanding we quit the SPL anyway and went to the lower leagues.

Clubs insisting that the league remains as four games against each side and being heavily reliant on the income generated by two of the 42 members doesn't exactly sound like clubs who'll happily wave us off.
 
Northampton_Loyalist said:
They had a straight choice in 2012 between a shot at killing us and keeping the cash. The chose to take the shot at killing us. The fact they want the cash now we are not dead does not mean that the cash was their first choice.
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They chose the cash. If they wanted to kill us we would never have been admitted to the SFL.
 
DoubleWhopper said:
Can you define ambition please?

You sound almost rueful about the passing of the Super League. What appeal would seeing Rangers in that have had for you?

If football is changing, as you say, then clearly nobody has told the supporters.

It saddens me you think wanting to have nothing to do with these monstrosities is "lacking ambition for Rangers". Cause I just don't see the appeal in these things. What are they for? Pure revenue generating exercises.

Would you even gain any pleasure from seeing Rangers competing in a "Super League"? Give me the trophies, real trophies, that we've spent the last century and a half striving to win. They mean something. Even if the eternal struggle with Celtic is something which "depresses" you.
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You’ve got me dead wrong on the ESL, it was a terrible idea. My point was I think change is coming, just not in that format.

Had they suggested a European League for example with promotion and relegation, and those same 12 clubs simply started in the top league I think they could have got it done.

Ambition for me is Rangers being able to compete at the top end of the game. I want to have the opportunity to compete with the best in Europe. I can’t see how that can happen being stuck in Scotland.

I hate to say it, but no one outside of Scotland cares who wins what here. It’s parochial to most, and if that’s “real” to you then that’s fine.

I just think being stuck in a two horse forever more isn’t going to be good for us or indeed the rest of the game here.

You talk about “pure revenue generating exercises” as if it’s a such a terrible thing. This isn’t the 60/70s any more. Like it or not you need revenue to compete as I’m sure you would agree.

The game has changed and will change again. It just depends on your view where you see clubs like us fitting into that.
 
I don't think we owe Scottish football a thing, but I don't know if joining the EPL/British League would be particularly great either. To win the league you would need to bankrolled by the same super rich that are only interested in money making. I mean a lot of it is appealing, but a big part of our identity is being winners - that won't happen if we leave Scotland.
 
ArnoldRimmer said:
I don't think we owe Scottish football a thing, but I don't know if joining the EPL/British League would be particularly great either. To win the league you would need to bankrolled by the same super rich that are only interested in money making. I mean a lot of it is appealing, but a big part of our identity is being winners - that won't happen if we leave Scotland.
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We would win things if we moved to England after a few years of adapting.
Sadly, I don’t think it will happen.
 
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Lovenkrands said:
You’ve got me dead wrong on the ESL, it was a terrible idea. My point was I think change is coming, just not in that format.

Had they suggested a European League for example with promotion and relegation, and those same 12 clubs simply started in the top league I think they could have got it done.

Ambition for me is Rangers being able to compete at the top end of the game. I want to have the opportunity to compete with the best in Europe. I can’t see how that can happen being stuck in Scotland.

I hate to say it, but no one outside of Scotland cares who wins what here. It’s parochial to most, and if that’s “real” to you then that’s fine.

I just think being stuck in a two horse forever more isn’t going to be good for us or indeed the rest of the game here.

You talk about “pure revenue generating exercises” as if it’s a such a terrible thing. This isn’t the 60/70s any more. Like it or not you need revenue to compete as I’m sure you would agree.

The game has changed and will change again. It just depends on your view where you see clubs like us fitting into that.
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Good post. It is quite likely that the ESL asked for the stars today but in reality will be happy with the moon in 2-3 years. Change is coming: it is inevitable. Loads of people on here saying that Rangers wont be Scottish in the EPL. Bollocks. I moved to England 27 years ago and I am as Scottish as ever I was, as are my sons who were brought up down here. In fact, my son who now lives in Pisa, but has an English accent is referred to as the Scotsman by his colleagues. Moving doesnt change your DNA.
 
The Dude said:
Then why vote us into the SFL? If it's a simple choice of voting us in and letting us live or not voting us in and letting us die, surely it should've been a pretty straightforward decision for them
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Theres plenty to argue and debate about the merits and practicalities of this british linkup.

But to have to go over 2012 and what happened with someone that still doesnt get what happened, nah, why bother. In short they chose to forcibly remove Rangers from their league and against the SFA’s wishes Mr Longmuir got us into a different league.

To go back to the actual matter at hand. There’s lots of practical things can be done to the benefit of Scottish Football that involve linking up with England. What that looks like or whether its even reality we wait to find out. Even 5% of the EPL TV revenues would revolutionise Scottish Football even if that meant Rangers leaving it.
 
bar72bear said:
yeah why not. what 15 clubs would have bigger revenues if we were in a cash rich league? We would be right up in amongst it. Are you suggesting we couldn't match the revenues of spurs or arsenal ?
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The figures you quote would put us within the top 10 earning clubs in the world.

I don't think we'd be competing revenue wise with those clubs anymore than say Newcastle do with their huge and loyal fanbase.
 
The Dude said:
Then why vote us into the SFL? If it's a simple choice of voting us in and letting us live or not voting us in and letting us die, surely it should've been a pretty straightforward decision for them
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You're talking about the bottom club's voting is in for their benefit whilst disregarding the top club's saying they did not need us.

Yes I understand they want us for the TV deal benefits. However if we could get away from them by any means I'd happily leave them greeting away about less income.
 
The Dude said:
Then why vote us into the SFL? If it's a simple choice of voting us in and letting us live or not voting us in and letting us die, surely it should've been a pretty straightforward decision for them
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The SPL clubs did not vote us into the SFL. The SFL clubs voted us into the SFL. The SPL clubs simply voted us out of their league with nowhere to go.
 
If a few of these scumbag clubs went bust as a result of it then it's just another tick in the benefit column.
 
The English league doesn't want or need anybody from Scottish football, I just wish the newspapers would either close down or go find some real news to print.
 
Another reason for me wanting this to happen one day is that Scotland is about to get another Nationalist govt for the next four years and potential referendum shite etc. It's only going to get worse for Rangers in Scotland under this poison.

So getting into the English set up would at least give us some sanity in a professionally run and high profile league as opposed to the bitter tinpot backwater we currently operate in.
 
I wish the media in England would start asking if they even wanted us in the first place. Look at what just happened with the ESL.

IMO even if Premier League chiefs did put it on the table I reckon the backlash would be huge. I don't think there's a massive desire from clubs in England to have us. They may like the idea but when it comes down to specifics it'd be more complex.

Do you think relegated/established championship clubs and fans would be happy with us walking into the "Premier League" (albeit under a different name)
 
Been having a look around some mid table EPL team forums and interestingly a lot would support some kind of British league merger.

Previously almost everyone outside the top clubs were against it as it would affect them most in the long term.

I don’t think this is going to happen right now, but the tide of opinion is gradually turning.
 
HoboUK said:
The figures you quote would put us within the top 10 earning clubs in the world.

I don't think we'd be competing revenue wise with those clubs anymore than say Newcastle do with their huge and loyal fanbase.
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the difference with us and Newcastle is that we are one half of a very marketable old firm with massive history. They are a provincial one city club that is only big in the north east.
 
iaatpies said:
It's a pyramid scheme for Aberdeen, Hibs, Hearts, Kilmarnock, Livi and the rest of them?
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If they double the spl revenues off the linkup payments and end up in Champions League qualifiers. Yes. Their ability to succeed is not in any way changed. Just the opposition.

It should not and will not ever happen without formal payment to Scottish Football.
 
Fucking despise the idea and this is clearly floated as a way for the English teams to spin and use as a "See, it's not just us ruining football! By the way Season books are back on sale!"

Besides, Even the Premier League clubs don't give a %^*& about the Premier League given their actions over the last few days.

We're fine where we are.
 
DeeGer10 said:
I wish the media in England would start asking if they even wanted us in the first place. Look at what just happened with the ESL.

IMO even if Premier League chiefs did put it on the table I reckon the backlash would be huge. I don't think there's a massive desire from clubs in England to have us. They may like the idea but when it comes down to specifics it'd be more complex.

Do you think relegated/established championship clubs and fans would be happy with us walking into the "Premier League" (albeit under a different name)
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I don’t think it’ll ever happen but if it did then I reckon we’d join at the Championship.
 
Bring it on.

£70.00 at least to get in to games after travelling hundreds of miles to get there, plus missing mid week away games because of work and family reasons.

Finish mid table most years, with not a lot to play for early in each new year.

Bring it on? I don’t think so.
 
Teddyjohn said:
I don’t think it’ll ever happen but if it did then I reckon we’d join at the Championship.
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Personally I don't see how that'd be attractive to Sky, the chance of us being promoted at different times would put them off. Without a doubt it'd happen too no chance we'd both go into the Championship and be promoted at the same time.
 
DeeGer10 said:
Personally I don't see how that'd be attractive to Sky, the chance of us being promoted at different times would put them off. Without a doubt it'd happen too no chance we'd both go into the Championship and be promoted at the same time.
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I would strongly fancy both clubs to get promoted within a season or two tbh.
 
Mezzala said:
It takes us a decade to go from the bottom to the top of Scottish football and the second we get there some fans want to leave for mid table mediocrity and a fat cheque.

It's honestly depressing.
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Do you know whats depressing? Everytime we buy a player that becomes an instant hit we get the fear of losing him to a club much smaller than ourselves just because they play in a better league
 
Mezzala said:
No, I want Rangers to stay true to it's identity.

Scottish football can improve, if Rangers and Celtic focused as much energy into that as they would into a British super league you would see it happen relatively quickly.
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Its not down to us or them to prop up other clubs just because they can't attract money or fans
 
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