Der Berliner
Well-Known Member
The main problem I have with stuff like this is that it comes from BBC chaps who will be taken as serious by people not ITK. When DAZN showed the last Old Firm game, the amount of rubbish spouted by the reporter (IMHO unwittingly) regarding us and them - Catholics vs Protestants, Irish and whatnot - were purest early 80s stereotypes rather than anything informed, leading to lines such as: "Never ever would the Protestant Rangers make a guard of honour for the Catholic Celtic players."
That is the reason why this bile and blackmail from the BBC must be fought actively. The journos world-wide won`t know the state of affairs with BBC Scotland and take their word as gospel, relying on the respectability of the BBC as such.
As for the MoJo lie, we saw how they twisted the argument in every direction. From Catholics to Irish Catholics to Catholic ex-Celtic players and Irish Catholic ex-Celtic players and/or Catholic players of rank and name (such as MoJo).
The main bone of contention for them is that MoJo was a Celtic star man before he signed for us ... and IMHO, the Catholic bit was just peddling to stereotypes.
They won`t want to know about other Catholics at the time and before, they won`t want to know about what happened to MoJo after he left us. They have the propaganda machine on their side these days (as for a decade or more, MoJo wasn`t a topic) and utilize it to their tune. Just note the rubbish Humzah spouts about strict liability when all he relies on is more fiction than fact.
As for Catholics playing for Rangers, a number of lists have been published (and I`m not able to verify them), like ...
Archie 'Punch' Kyle 1904 - 1908
Willie Kivlichan 1906 - 1907
Colin Mainds 1906 - 1907
Tom Murray 1907 - 1908
Pat Lafferty 1886 (before Celtic existed)
Tom Dunbar 1891 - 1892
J Tutty 1899 - 1900
William Brown 1912
Joe Donnachie c.1914 - 1918
John Jackson 1917
Laurie Blyth 1951 - 1952
Don Kichenbrand 1955 - 1956
Hugh O'Neill 1976
John Spencer 1984
Different select (needs double checking)
Archie Kyle
Willie “Doc” Kivlichan (Who, like Johnston, was an Ex-Celtic player)
Colin Mainds
Tom Murray
Pat Lafferty
Johnny Jackson
James Tutty
Tom Dunbar (Brother of Michael Dunbar who became a Celtic director)
Joe Donnachie
Hugh O’Neill
Constantine McGhie
Don Kichenbrand
Laurie Blyth
John Spencer
McCallum
Brown
Wylie
John Clare
Johnny Kennedy
Charles McCafferty (Never made a first team appearance)
Daniel Divers
Chris Houston
John Manners
Bob Cleary
George (or Gorg) Banciewicz
Eddie Devenney
Terry Sloan
Brian Grubb
Edward Devlin
Andy Casey
Tom Cassidy
Bob "Dancer" Dunn
Peter Mone
"Starry" McLachlan,
... and from Bill Murray, The Old Firm – Sectarianism, Sport and Society in Scotland (John Donald Publishers, 1984) pp 64–5
If you go through our players lists after MoJo, you`ll probably find dozens of Catholics ... but in all honesty, nobody actually cared whether Amato, Darcheville, Caniggia, Albertz, Cuellar and Co. were Catholics or not. They were people pulling on the jersey of the Famous and we adored them for that.
That is the reason why this bile and blackmail from the BBC must be fought actively. The journos world-wide won`t know the state of affairs with BBC Scotland and take their word as gospel, relying on the respectability of the BBC as such.
As for the MoJo lie, we saw how they twisted the argument in every direction. From Catholics to Irish Catholics to Catholic ex-Celtic players and Irish Catholic ex-Celtic players and/or Catholic players of rank and name (such as MoJo).
The main bone of contention for them is that MoJo was a Celtic star man before he signed for us ... and IMHO, the Catholic bit was just peddling to stereotypes.
They won`t want to know about other Catholics at the time and before, they won`t want to know about what happened to MoJo after he left us. They have the propaganda machine on their side these days (as for a decade or more, MoJo wasn`t a topic) and utilize it to their tune. Just note the rubbish Humzah spouts about strict liability when all he relies on is more fiction than fact.
As for Catholics playing for Rangers, a number of lists have been published (and I`m not able to verify them), like ...
Archie 'Punch' Kyle 1904 - 1908
Willie Kivlichan 1906 - 1907
Colin Mainds 1906 - 1907
Tom Murray 1907 - 1908
Pat Lafferty 1886 (before Celtic existed)
Tom Dunbar 1891 - 1892
J Tutty 1899 - 1900
William Brown 1912
Joe Donnachie c.1914 - 1918
John Jackson 1917
Laurie Blyth 1951 - 1952
Don Kichenbrand 1955 - 1956
Hugh O'Neill 1976
John Spencer 1984
Different select (needs double checking)
Archie Kyle
Willie “Doc” Kivlichan (Who, like Johnston, was an Ex-Celtic player)
Colin Mainds
Tom Murray
Pat Lafferty
Johnny Jackson
James Tutty
Tom Dunbar (Brother of Michael Dunbar who became a Celtic director)
Joe Donnachie
Hugh O’Neill
Constantine McGhie
Don Kichenbrand
Laurie Blyth
John Spencer
McCallum
Brown
Wylie
John Clare
Johnny Kennedy
Charles McCafferty (Never made a first team appearance)
Daniel Divers
Chris Houston
John Manners
Bob Cleary
George (or Gorg) Banciewicz
Eddie Devenney
Terry Sloan
Brian Grubb
Edward Devlin
Andy Casey
Tom Cassidy
Bob "Dancer" Dunn
Peter Mone
"Starry" McLachlan,
... and from Bill Murray, The Old Firm – Sectarianism, Sport and Society in Scotland (John Donald Publishers, 1984) pp 64–5
Catholics who signed for Rangers before Johnston include, before the end of World War I: Pat Lafferty (1886), Tom Dunbar (1891–1892), J Tutty (1899–1900), Archie Kyle (1904–1908), Willie Kivlichan (1906–1907), Colin Mainds (1906–1907), Tom Murray (1907–1908), William Brown (1912), Joe Donnachie (circa.1914–1918) and John Jackson (1917). Thereafter, Catholic players prior to Mo Johnston's signing include: Laurie Blyth (1951–1952), Don Kitchenbrand (1955–1956), Hugh O'Neill (1976), John Spencer (1985–1992)
If you go through our players lists after MoJo, you`ll probably find dozens of Catholics ... but in all honesty, nobody actually cared whether Amato, Darcheville, Caniggia, Albertz, Cuellar and Co. were Catholics or not. They were people pulling on the jersey of the Famous and we adored them for that.