Wamphray_Loyal
Well-Known Member
Everytime I come back to this thread there seems to be another paedophile found and more victims have emerged ,just when is this nightmare going to end for these poor guys that were abused upto 50 years ago ?
there should've been a transfer ban handed out a good few season ago until this was all resolved.At what stage did we get hit with points deductions for the Whyte tax sketch?
Shouldn't the same be happening to the scum?
Points deduction for going into adminAt what stage did we get hit with points deductions for the Whyte tax sketch?
Shouldn't the same be happening to the scum?
How about we just focus on the victims and getting them justicethere should've been a transfer ban handed out a good few season ago until this was all resolved.
there should've been a transfer ban handed out a good few season ago until this was all resolved.
not point scoring at all and something ive said consistently.How about we just focus on the victims and getting them justice
That's the only thing that matters
All other talk is exactly the 'point scoring' ammunition that the media will refer to
How about we just focus on the victims and getting them justice
That's the only thing that matters
All other talk is exactly the 'point scoring' ammunition that the media will refer to
Some of us can focus on a few things. Them getting points deductions would bring this all to the fore as the MSM couldn't then lie about what the points deduction is for.How about we just focus on the victims and getting them justice
That's the only thing that matters
All other talk is exactly the 'point scoring' ammunition that the media will refer to
Some of us can focus on a few things. Them getting points deductions would bring this all to the fore as the MSM couldn't then lie about what the points deduction is for.
They managed to spin that we didn't want to go to Oz because we felt we were playing second fiddle to fat Ange,
Try and think about what's being said without point scoring about how righteous you are.
I don't get your point about knowing you but I agree we all want the same thing.You don't know me
You don't know my life
You don't know my line of work
You don't know the people I work with on a daily basis
Justice for the victims is all I want.
Each time I check this thread it is to see if the victims are closer to getting justice, closure and being able to begin the process of healing
I fear some people ONLY check this thread to see how the club itself will be punished
Let's not derail this thread into a tit for tat on each other
I just want to see the right outcome for the victims, that's what this is all about
Surely they cannot use “Separate EntiTy” cannot be used as a defence now if they’ve admitted guilt and paid out compensationToo important for page 2
Justice for the victims - the Spotlight is shining on those with guilt
I'm not sure why every paper story ends by repeating the separate entity lie.Surely they cannot use “Separate EntiTy” cannot be used as a defence now if they’ve admitted guilt and paid out compensation
There is an offence in Football of “Bringing the game into disrepute “.Justice for the victims is absolutely paramount and the most important thing in all of this. But there's nothing wrong with wanting Celtic to suffer as a football club because of the way they've behaved for the last 50 odd years. That's not point scoring.
Of course you are correct. Lawwell placed Regan, then Maxwell into their SFA position and Doncaster into his SPFL position thus allowing Scottish football to drag its heels to assist Celtic.There is an offence in Football of “Bringing the game into disrepute “.
I’d suggest the decades long, continuing, systematic cover up of Child Abuse by Directors, Management and Officials at one member club should be enough for the Football Authorities to investigate.
Dealing with the Criminal action sits with Police Scotland and the Procurator.
Dealing with recompense for injuries and harm suffered by the victims sits with the Courts.
Dealing with a clear and lasting breach of the Articles of Association by a member Club, as there appears to have been here, surely sits with the Scottish Football Association.
The Victims deserve justice, that is without doubt and hopefully it is coming down the track.
Some, or all of the Victims might decide to settle “out of Court”, but if it is accepted that these acts took place then for the integrity of Football the S.F.A.must act in accordance with its own rules.
I recently started a couple of threads similar to this asking when do we start discussing their sanctions, expulsion from the professional leagues. They were chopped very swiftly for some reason?At what stage did we get hit with points deductions for the Whyte tax sketch?
Shouldn't the same be happening to the scum?
If that mobs crimes and cover ups don’t bring the game into disrepute I don’t know what does.There is an offence in Football of “Bringing the game into disrepute “.
I’d suggest the decades long, continuing, systematic cover up of Child Abuse by Directors, Management and Officials at one member club should be enough for the Football Authorities to investigate.
Dealing with the Criminal action sits with Police Scotland and the Procurator.
Dealing with recompense for injuries and harm suffered by the victims sits with the Courts.
Dealing with a clear and lasting breach of the Articles of Association by a member Club, as there appears to have been here, surely sits with the Scottish Football Association.
The Victims deserve justice, that is without doubt and hopefully it is coming down the track.
Some, or all of the Victims might decide to settle “out of Court”, but if it is accepted that these acts took place then for the integrity of Football the S.F.A.must act in accordance with its own rules.
I think they're simply a conversation for after victims have their justice. Conversations of what that club deserves tend to drown out what the victims deserve. It's not that it isn't an important conversation it's just a lot less important than the immediate situation.I recently started a couple of threads similar to this asking when do we start discussing their sanctions, expulsion from the professional leagues. They were chopped very swiftly for some reason?
I was at school with that can’t and him and his brother used to look down their noses at everyone else thinking that they were the bee’s knee’s because they’re dad had a chip shop, I’m sure many of the Catholic boys and girls who also went to Preston Lodge would agree that they thought they were better than them.Just watched Disclosure on BBC Scotland about a music teacher who abused for decades.
Absolutely sickening and a slur on this wee country.
To think what happened at that club maybe multiplied by whatever sickens me to the pit of my stomach and I include every club who employed these beast scum.
The victims getting justice is paramount but the SFA inquiry found instances where a football club protected its standing in a game when made aware of children being sexually abused. No way should this football club be allowed to have this bastardised standing uncorrected.If that mobs crimes and cover ups don’t bring the game into disrepute I don’t know what does.
Or unpunishedThe victims getting justice is paramount but the SFA inquiry found instances where a football club protected its standing in a game when made aware of children being sexually abused. No way should this football club be allowed to have this bastardised standing uncorrected.
I 100% agree that justice for victims is paramount, I can’t help but think if the situation was reversed that mob would be front and centre in getting the wheels in motion to orchestrate our sanctions/ expulsion running in parallel should we lose our civil court case.The victims getting justice is paramount but the SFA inquiry found instances where a football club protected its standing in a game when made aware of children being sexually abused. No way should this football club be allowed to have this bastardised standing uncorrected.
The SFA is meant to be their authorities. They are allowing them to drag this out by refusing to hold their club to account. They had written in their previous rules that they would take legal action if a club turned a blind eye to child abuse, them and their media don’t want to acknowledge this.I 100% agree that justice for victims is paramount, I can’t help but think if the situation was reversed that mob would be front and centre in getting the wheels in motion to orchestrate our sanctions/ expulsion running in parallel should we lose our civil court case.
They have obfuscated the path to justice for decades and show no sign of changing their stance even though it turns out they’ve lost the documentation they were basing their pathetic “separate entity” defence on. This is not the time for dignified silence, they need to be dragged kicking and screaming to finally face the music both by the courts and by “professional” bodies running the game in Scotland,
A full public inquiry into this utter abomination is needed immediately, this whole disgusting episode not only brings the game into disrepute but also drags this countries social, judicial and political establishment into disrepute as well.
I'm sure the powers that be will find some way of getting them off with it. Historic crimes, other teams involved ignoring the fact they have tried to cover everything up and that they also re-employed some of the perps after they were found guilty of child abuse.If that mobs crimes and cover ups don’t bring the game into disrepute I don’t know what does.
We/Rangers should be pushing for this.The SFA is meant to be their authorities. They are allowing them to drag this out by refusing to hold their club to account. They had written in their previous rules that they would take legal action if a club turned a blind eye to child abuse, them and their media don’t want to acknowledge this.
In that article its starts of by stating Malley was accused of abusing only one young boy but further down the story another boy gives his account of how it effected him what is it one or more survivors the two reporters should right there story better .Imo Malley like the rest had multiple victims and abusing is not the word i would be using molesting, raping, grooming,are some of the words should be used .Malley you lady's front bottom rest in hell .
I'm not sure why every paper story ends by repeating the separate entity lie.
There's no need for it and it just gives the lie credence it doesn't deserve.
I'm pretty sure I know why.
Although it is somewhat unpalatable, as a former newspaper man years ago, to be fair to them in this instance, if they did not put in what they know is the basis of the scum’s defence then they could be subject to legal proceedings.I'm not sure why every paper story ends by repeating the separate entity lie.
There's no need for it and it just gives the lie credence it doesn't deserve.
Thanks for explaining the reasoning based on your career experience.Although it is somewhat unpalatable, as a former newspaper man years ago, to be fair to them in this instance, if they did not put in what they know is the basis of the scum’s defence then they could be subject to legal proceedings.
You have an obligation in journalism, don’t laugh at the back, to be ‘balanced’.
I have a little doubt that if they did not print the ‘separate entity’ nonsense somewhere in the story about the claims of victims, then the scum’s lawyers would be all over them.
In addition, they could also risk. albeit a small one, being subject of action from the PF on the basis that the omission could prejudice forthcoming legal proceedings
You’re absolutely right about balance being an anathema in this age of electronic media.Thanks for explaining the reasoning based on your career experience.
Absolutely disgusts me as the media frequently do not air at all both sides of an argument, so the fact they feel the need to add this lie - which everyone knows is a lie - in to every story about the Celtic paedophilia ring, is really disgusting to me.
If the papers routinely did this sort of thing in any story, fair enough. It would be standard practice. But they clearly do not. And there is enough evidence out in the public to show that the argument is a complete lie. So it shouldn’t be getting posted on just about every single Celtic paedophilia ring story.
They have admitted they don't have the documents to prove they are a separate entity.Although it is somewhat unpalatable, as a former newspaper man years ago, to be fair to them in this instance, if they did not put in what they know is the basis of the scum’s defence then they could be subject to legal proceedings.
You have an obligation in journalism, don’t laugh at the back, to be ‘balanced’.
I have a little doubt that if they did not print the ‘separate entity’ nonsense somewhere in the story about the claims of victims, then the scum’s lawyers would be all over them.
In addition, they could also risk. albeit a small one, being subject of action from the PF on the basis that the omission could prejudice forthcoming legal proceedings
Too fuckin right he is mate. How he has not been arrested is beyond me.A chilling likeness for me. Kelly is most definitely one of them imo.
Fully agree bud, and once that Club gets found guilty and the victims get the justice they want/ deserve so much , let us see the groundswell from the rest of Scottish football - the fans who wanted us gone for non payment of tax just ask them which would you find more abhorent, not paying tax or the systematic rape of children and subsequent cover up for decades?I agree with much of what has been posted on here and my own experience is documented elsewhere on these pages. Whatever our own agendas are they are best set aside for now. Let the court cases take place and then react accordingly. My own position is that I work with survivors of child abuse, albeit voluntarily since I retired, so people will always be my priority.
However, the perpetrators, the enablers, indeed anyone who has turned a blind eye to this scandal for over half a century must be brought to justice. I include the club, the football associations, the media and of course the Scottish administration. If that lot can’t show some courage then we go higher. The media from outside this country, UEFA, the UK government just to name a few. 50 years is a long time to be getting away with molesting children and for others to be permitting it. The victims and survivors have waited a long time for justice so let us do the same. Their time and place is coming, of that I have no doubt thanks to Spotlight and their supporters.
A chilling likeness for me. Kelly is most definitely one of them imo.
You would need to be very very naive indeed to believe everyone following this thread's only objective was to see justice for the victims.You don't know me
You don't know my life
You don't know my line of work
You don't know the people I work with on a daily basis
Justice for the victims is all I want.
Each time I check this thread it is to see if the victims are closer to getting justice, closure and being able to begin the process of healing
I fear some people ONLY check this thread to see how the club itself will be punished
Let's not derail this thread into a tit for tat on each other
I just want to see the right outcome for the victims, that's what this is all about
i remember it at the time of P1's first trial mate.Mate this was discussed above...there is no online or written quote to McBungle ever saying this.
There is no evidence and no point in regurgitating rumour.
Aye Just like the Catholic Church wanting to police themselvesThere could be so many other incidents that have gone unreported that were dealt with in house..in private..the celtic way.