Stevie McDougall
Well-Known Member
Hope it all comes oot in the waash and Despicable F. C. is shut doon.
Oh the Peados urr deid.
Oh the Peados urr deid.
Is the mother of one of the victims not quite vocal about this on Twitter?
I cant see her just accepting an out of court settlement.
The whole point about settling out of court is that it is on a case by case basis and is certainly not an admission of guilt. It is completely without admission of liability - that is the whole point and part of any settlement.i'm kinda leaning this way , the only thing is they have always pleaded the separate entity line if they start settling out of court its an admission of guilt in which they have previously said they aren't connected
Listed for something tomorrow - may be procedural.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/curre...-roll?id=c04162a7-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Glasgow court 10.
USA litigation is costly, slow, time consuming, disclosure-based & comprises never-ending Motions (applications for Orders) & appeals. US Courts will often reserve jurisdiction challenges until final judgement!McCafferty trial supposedly due to start tomorrow. Daly, apparently, doing a new documentary that will 'demolish' the 'separate entity' nonsense about the club/boys club. US lawyers in touch with victims regarding a Court case in USA. Daily Record, reportedly, have a copy of a NDA signed by Celtic and one of the victims but, for whatever reason, have yet to publish.
I think that's about where we are at the moment.
I wonder if Doleman will be live tweeting from court?
Was hoping he was deid tbh.I wonder if Doleman will be live tweeting from court?
I'm sure he was gravely ill but survived unfortunately.He's deid, thought this was spoken about the past few months.
He's deid, thought this was spoken about the past few months.
Imagine they got relegated to the 3rd division
actually sit and imagine it for a minute
I'm sure he was gravely ill but survived unfortunately.
USA litigation is costly, slow, time consuming, disclosure-based & comprises never-ending Motions (applications for Orders) & appeals. US Courts will often reserve jurisdiction challenges until final judgement!
Vicarious liability may ensnare CFC regardless of their feeble 'different entity' arguments.
Lastly, while CFC's Public Liability cover will undoubtedly fund investigation & defence of claims in the UK, it's entirely possible that USA is not in their Geographic Limits. Oh dear...
ffs check out the names on that court roll.Listed for something tomorrow - may be procedural.
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/curre...-roll?id=c04162a7-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
Glasgow court 10.
It's the obal reputation part that will hurt more. What company or brand will want to be associated with the systematic abuse of minors. This is what they will fear most.Did the punishment for Penn State not set a precedent for vile acts committed by sports clubs against minors ? Let’s not assume that St Pats (aka Separate Entity FC) will receive only a paultry financial punishment and walk away from this.
I’m of the other mindset where I think the damage, both financially and in terms of global reputation, will be severe. And so it should be.
Public liability won't touch abuse of this nature, nor will the insurances or the insurers cover such costs.Furthermore the Limits on any those Policies will be dwarfed by the Cost of the litigation. I read a story last week about a woman who successfully sued Hilton in a America as their Handyman installed Cameras in her Bathroom and then tried to bribe her with the footage. Vicariously liability attached, Damages were $100M. Imagine what they award for Victims that were Children.
Public liability won't touch abuse of this nature, nor will the insurances or the insurers cover such costs.
Sorry to disappoint many, but UK PL cover does insure employee abuse of third parties.Public liability won't touch abuse of this nature, nor will the insurances or the insurers cover such costs.
How can any insurance policy cover abuse of children ?Sorry to disappoint many, but UK PL cover does insure employee abuse of third parties.
Good point. US issued Policies are 'limits including costs', which quickly exhausts sums-insured. Sometimes before the damages are awarded & payable.Furthermore the Limits on any those Policies will be dwarfed by the Cost of the litigation. I read a story last week about a woman who successfully sued Hilton in a America as their Handyman installed Cameras in her Bathroom and then tried to bribe her with the footage. Vicariously liability attached, Damages were $100M. Imagine what they award for Victims that were Children.
Not from the 70s and 80s. They won't cover historic sexual abuse.Sorry to disappoint many, but UK PL cover does insure employee abuse of third parties.
Sorry to disappoint many, but UK PL cover does insure employee abuse of third parties.
If they're still about, they should be strun, eh locked up as well. Deranged.The parents of this boy who accepted the hush money from the beggars are deranged.You would surely want to kick the shit out of the monster who abused their boy and then start on the sick bastards offering the deal
Correct. Prior knowledge or connivance by the 'controlling mind' (typically a Board member) would vitiate cover. But I don't think that's the case here. Retrospective knowledge doesn't vitiate cover.Not if it can be shown that the policy holder(s) knew of said abuse I'd imagine.
I'll bet my 44 years industry experience against your guess, brother. This isn't about morality, it's contractual obligations to indemnity legal liabilities.Not from the 70s and 80s. They won't cover historic sexual abuse.
It's not a guess. More of an assumption that historic child abuse will not be covered. If they had such insurances in the 70s/80s they would be in no way as stringent as present day. Penn state were directly culpable and no insurance was paid out to my knowledge.I'll bet my 44 years industry experience against your guess, brother. This isn't about morality, it's contractual obligations to indemnity legal liabilities.
Sadly I can't see it going beyond a few out of court settlements. They're just too well protected.
(CNN)Since the 1980s, the Catholic Church in the United States and its insurance companies have paid out more than $3.8 billion in lawsuits and claims involving allegations of clerical sexual abuse, according to a monitoring group.
BishopAccountability, a non-profit that tracks allegations of abuse in the Catholic Church, says the payouts involved cases filed by more than 8,600 survivors who were allegedly sexually abused by an undisclosed number of clergy since the 1950s.
Imagine they got relegated to the 3rd division
actually sit and imagine it for a minute
The Celtic board were aware of the happenings in the USA and thereafter bribed the child's parents.Correct. Prior knowledge or connivance by the 'controlling mind' (typically a Board member) would vitiate cover. But I don't think that's the case here. Retrospective knowledge doesn't vitiate cover.
USA litigation is costly, slow, time consuming, disclosure-based & comprises never-ending Motions (applications for Orders) & appeals. US Courts will often reserve jurisdiction challenges until final judgement!
Vicarious liability may ensnare CFC regardless of their feeble 'different entity' arguments.
Lastly, while CFC's Public Liability cover will undoubtedly fund investigation & defence of claims in the UK, it's entirely possible that USA is not in their Geographic Limits. Oh dear...
How can any insurance policy cover abuse of children ?
even when you have re-employed an offender when taking out said cover? Or knowing there is a problem in areas of the overall organisation when taking out said cover?Correct. Prior knowledge or connivance by the 'controlling mind' (typically a Board member) would vitiate cover. But I don't think that's the case here. Retrospective knowledge doesn't vitiate cover.
Good point. US issued Policies are 'limits including costs', which quickly exhausts sums-insured. Sometimes before the damages are awarded & payable.
UK PL covers are typically limits plus costs, so sums insured are only eroded by Indemnity (damages payments & TP costs.)
You're also correct that damages awards in the USA are likely to be HUGE.
They are in serious trouble over this.There is now a substantial amount of cases pending against them and the Scottish lawyers involved have met with their American counterparts to discuss the way forward. Brady and Macari to name but two are already on the lawyers list of potential witnesses to the abuse. Furthermore the SFA are looking at the potential of charging Celt*c with bringing the game into disrepute as all and sundry at Parkhead knew what was going on and failed to protect the kids.
There are various films and news articles from the past which quite clearly state the boys club were an integral part of the set up at Parkhead.
The media and the politicians are very reluctant to make official comment on these cases as they don’t want to be seen to be putting live ongoing cases in jeopardy.
There is a juggernaut heading their way, and no amount of denial or deflection will stop it.
Something about that sentence made my stomach sink.
Think about it. There have been THAT MANY that we can't keep track, and still smoke, mirrors and silence. Disgusting.
I would be surprised if the SFA charged them mate.They are in serious trouble over this.There is now a substantial amount of cases pending against them and the Scottish lawyers involved have met with their American counterparts to discuss the way forward. Brady and Macari to name but two are already on the lawyers list of potential witnesses to the abuse. Furthermore the SFA are looking at the potential of charging Celt*c with bringing the game into disrepute as all and sundry at Parkhead knew what was going on and failed to protect the kids.
There are various films and news articles from the past which quite clearly state the boys club were an integral part of the set up at Parkhead.
The media and the politicians are very reluctant to make official comment on these cases as they don’t want to be seen to be putting live ongoing cases in jeopardy.
There is a juggernaut heading their way, and no amount of denial or deflection will stop it.
They are in serious trouble over this.There is now a substantial amount of cases pending against them and the Scottish lawyers involved have met with their American counterparts to discuss the way forward. Brady and Macari to name but two are already on the lawyers list of potential witnesses to the abuse. Furthermore the SFA are looking at the potential of charging Celt*c with bringing the game into disrepute as all and sundry at Parkhead knew what was going on and failed to protect the kids.
There are various films and news articles from the past which quite clearly state the boys club were an integral part of the set up at Parkhead.
The media and the politicians are very reluctant to make official comment on these cases as they don’t want to be seen to be putting live ongoing cases in jeopardy.
There is a juggernaut heading their way, and no amount of denial or deflection will stop it.
They are in serious trouble over this.There is now a substantial amount of cases pending against them and the Scottish lawyers involved have met with their American counterparts to discuss the way forward. Brady and Macari to name but two are already on the lawyers list of potential witnesses to the abuse. Furthermore the SFA are looking at the potential of charging Celt*c with bringing the game into disrepute as all and sundry at Parkhead knew what was going on and failed to protect the kids.
There are various films and news articles from the past which quite clearly state the boys club were an integral part of the set up at Parkhead.
The media and the politicians are very reluctant to make official comment on these cases as they don’t want to be seen to be putting live ongoing cases in jeopardy.
There is a juggernaut heading their way, and no amount of denial or deflection will stop it.
He's the only one who deserves any credit, as soon as he was told about it he acted.
They are in serious trouble over this.There is now a substantial amount of cases pending against them and the Scottish lawyers involved have met with their American counterparts to discuss the way forward. Brady and Macari to name but two are already on the lawyers list of potential witnesses to the abuse. Furthermore the SFA are looking at the potential of charging Celt*c with bringing the game into disrepute as all and sundry at Parkhead knew what was going on and failed to protect the kids.
There are various films and news articles from the past which quite clearly state the boys club were an integral part of the set up at Parkhead.
The media and the politicians are very reluctant to make official comment on these cases as they don’t want to be seen to be putting live ongoing cases in jeopardy.
There is a juggernaut heading their way, and no amount of denial or deflection will stop it.
Would be the lowland(whatever its called) league now, bottom of the pyramidImagine they got relegated to the 3rd division
actually sit and imagine it for a minute
I would be very surprised if nothing happens.I'll be surprised if anything even comes of this.
It seems to just roll on for years without ever blowing up like it should.
Exactly. Two cheeks with the same arseI don't believe that for a minute. The SFA will be frantically praying (and rubbing their rosary beads) that this all just 'goes away'. It won't. Until they are forced to, they won't even be considering any action against the Dhims. It won't even be on the Agenda right now.
Their own club newspaper blows their theories out the window that their boys club was a separate entity never mind national newspapersI would love this to be true but they always seem to get away with peddling the "separate entity" pish. Anyone who was around in the 70s and 80s knows this is rubbish as the press were forever printing stories about how successful the Boy's Club was in bringing through talent to "the big team" and they'd never be saying that if the connection wasn't there. Add in their team photos being taken on the pitch at the piggery and the likes of Stein, McNeill and Burns appearing at awards presentations and it's obvious the link was there.
But they have friends in high places and they seem to be protecting them even now. Time will tell, but I fear they will get off lightly as they always do. Seems the Scottish press, SFA and the rest care more about their "good name" than the well-being of the victims.