Snoopproddiedogg
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Sorry I went back and checked the post from yesterday and you are correct you didn't. I'll amend the post.I’ve never said that.
Sorry I went back and checked the post from yesterday and you are correct you didn't. I'll amend the post.I’ve never said that.
Ok mate,thanks for providing some details,I haven't read every single post on this thread but having scanned over a fair few,it just seems like a lot of shouting.
Outwith the King share purchase,I had no idea about the other concerns and accusations.
I am interested in keeping up to date with what is going on as this will impact on my decision to continue my monthly donation.
I've not trying to be a smart arse but without being ITK where can you find out what's going on here?
It just happens to be true.Cmon chap, do you really believe this pish?
This is the problem. The 3 directors should resign for the good of the organisation. The longer they are in place the weaker it becomes.No, it won't as the Club will issue more and more shares which !872 will not be able to keep up its % as most will have stopped donating
It looks like 1872 is becoming pointless in the current dynamics and partly because the way business has been conducted, in which case they need to eventually be asking what folk want done with their money and that includes the option of returning it to them. From the evidence on here it either needs totally reconstituted with missions and behaviour aligned or it needs scrapped. There seems to be a place for a large fan group who can collectively invest in projects for the benefit of the club and fans but fan ownership or board representation looks dead in the water for the foreseeable.No, it won't as the Club will issue more and more shares which !872 will not be able to keep up its % as most will have stopped donating
This is the problem. The 3 directors should resign for the good of the organisation. The longer they are in place the weaker it becomes.
Yes. Chris Graham wanted David Graham's job, plus he is no longer receiving the £60k per annum he was paid for his assistance with Club1872. Bear this in mind when you read people asking what Chris Graham has done that is so bad.Does Chris Graham have an axe to grind against the current board after they cut off the gravy train that Dave King allowed him?
50 members lost in a couple of weeks and ongoing. Between £500 and 1k a month in subscriptions.Rev. MacQuarrie’s letter was released on FF on 26th May (and there were clearly many causes for concern prior to that). Since that date the numbers of legacy subscribers as per their own website has fallen from 1,571 to 1,521. It’s hard to imagine their hasn’t been a similar fall in the number of ordinary subscribers.
What has been the response to this by the incumbent directors at Club 1872? Absolutely none! They cannot be unaware of the increasing concerns about their conduct in office but see no need to address these concerns especially with those who are members of the organisation. Meanwhile the numbers of subscribing members will continually fall, less members means less income, their target of 20,000 legacy members appears pie in the sky and their ability to participate in ordinary share issues will be impaired thus any influence they may have had with Rangers will reduce.
What is more important to them? Club 1872, it’s members, Rangers Football Club or just themselves and the position they hold?
I doCmon chap, do you really believe this pish?
Nail on the headDoes Chris Graham have an axe to grind against the current board after they cut off the gravy train that Dave King allowed him?
Does Chris Graham have an axe to grind against the current board after they cut off the gravy train that Dave King allowed him?
Guys the key issue here is that this 3 person Board is unaccountable, immovable for at least 3 years and always holds a majority unless they split up.
in addition we have Chris unelected and paid a small fortune to advise / influence / lead the Board of C1872.
This needs to change for C1872 to survive never mind achieve the original objectives
VONC is the wayGuys the key issue here is that this 3 person Board is unaccountable, immovable for at least 3 years and always holds a majority unless they split up.
in addition we have Chris unelected and paid a small fortune to advise / influence / lead the Board of C1872.
This needs to change for C1872 to survive never mind achieve the original objectives
Every post you put on seems to suggest that you are friendly with Chris and in your opinion a good guy, that's fair enough.I think having a go at Chris Grahame for supporting in the background is fucking insane.
Keep your hand on your holiday money until you do understand
I think people are in danger of creating messes that do not exist. There are more than enough that do.Let me just say I am eternally thankful for Dave King and all he did for us in 2015 and onwards. That will never be forgotten.
However, some things appear to have happened/happening:
- Dave King does not get on with the current RIFC board, at all
- Chris Graham is/was an unelected power at C1872. He was paid by RIFC or associations, to influence C1872 at King’s? behest. His payment stopped when Park took over.
- Self interest has taken over and the board of C1872 plus Graham, can no longer be trusted with using the fans money in the correct manner. The way it operates and makes decisions, has been hidden and taken away from its members.
- The purchase of Kings shares, by C1872, now appears to have the purpose of King getting his money back but, also retaining a controlling interest in RIFC, aided and abetted by Graham and the C1872. This is not what members signed up for.
A VONC and the removal of the 3 directors plus CG is the only option now.
CIC will not get involved unless it is absolute criminality taking place and even then they may not even step up. They favour a light touch approach approach and aren't interested in being involved in what they will perceive as a squabble.Perhaps asking the CIC to intervene for a short period may help?
Surely the evidence from past Directors would build a case, as well as the current comms?
They could appoint a neutral (and tbh, a commercial head with no directive other than to build the membership might just be what is needed now) to ensure a good practise baseline is established and a recovery plan put in place
Totally agree that CG was at the forefront of defending us and I appreciated it then as I do now.Robert, he was on TV defending Rangers which seemed nearly every night at one point against Spiers lies Tom English at al. You watched it as much as I did. His chin was out he got abuse threats and all sorts.
His previous job if I heard right as an independent FA. He has a base financial background and by %^*& did he ha due the mhedia well.
they waited for him until he was announced as a director then went for him on tweets relating to Charlie hebdo. The club and traynor let him go under a bus.
don’t play daft Robert it’s beneath you.
I can say I appreciated Chris putting his head above the parapet in 2012-2013. I did think he was often given more credit than his media performances merited (that clip with Spiers, for example looked brilliant…with the YouTube clip edit showing the Tweet. At the time, Chris just said “you did say cheating”. It wasn’t the headshot it was made out to be after the fact). But I didn’t have any animosity towards him. I didn’t know him except from on the Cropod, TV and his username on here.I don’t think so, I’m also glad he got a salary for his role. I’d have had him head of PR from the off.
Wasn’t he a Liverpool fan growing up ?Did anyone know Chris Graham as a Rangers supporter before he got involved with the campaign against the spivs?
I can assure you from my time on the club 1872 board he was very much involved in the issuing of statements, cannot speak for recently but would be very surprised if he is still not doing it with Laura as the front, she is very deferential to him.I can say I appreciated Chris putting his head above the parapet in 2012-2013. I did think he was often given more credit than his media performances merited (that clip with Spiers, for example looked brilliant…with the YouTube clip edit showing the Tweet. At the time, Chris just said “you did say cheating”. It wasn’t the headshot it was made out to be after the fact). But I didn’t have any animosity towards him. I didn’t know him except from on the Cropod, TV and his username on here.
But I have no idea why anyone would think he would be head of PR for RFC. Really smart PR people don’t leave the Twitter trail Chris did. If, and I emphasise if, the allegations that he has been doing C1872’s PR are true…then that’s even more evidence against his being capable. His PR skills appear to be that he’s a little more articulate than the average fan. I‘d put myself in that camp too but I’d let me nowhere near running the PR for the business I sit on the Board of, let alone a business like Rangers that, whilst a fraction of the size, is much more high profile.
His qualifications for being involved with the Rangers board seems to be a relationship with Dave King. That’s it’s. He doesn’t appear to have experience managing large businesses or any other skills that would make him a leading candidate for really any role. And he can’t claim to represent the fans as he’s never stood for election by the members of C1872.
Just seen this, I know of no incident about Chris being asked to leave.Wasn’t he a Liverpool fan growing up ?
This might be total nonsense but wasn’t he also barred or asked to leave The Louden one night after an “incident” ? @Robert Marshall ??
Firstly he still is an FA and it’s not his “previous job” He was never full time for C1872 despite being paid an amazing salary for part time work.Robert, he was on TV defending Rangers which seemed nearly every night at one point against Spiers lies Tom English at al. You watched it as much as I did. His chin was out he got abuse threats and all sorts.
His previous job if I heard right as an independent FA. He has a base financial background and by %^*& did he ha due the mhedia well.
they waited for him until he was announced as a director then went for him on tweets relating to Charlie hebdo. The club and traynor let him go under a bus.
don’t play daft Robert it’s beneath you.
None of it's trueSo you don't know if any of the above is true but you are going to go ahead and post it anyway? Just to participate in the pile-on.
Social media at it's worst imo.
Again you’re talking from ignorance. Chris resigned and there was a serious threat to safety. The club had a duty of care to address and Chris had made a serious error of judgmentThe club bottled at the first challenge in the new set up. It took some time until we grew a set again.
regards George square. Club1872 has never ever had any balls. The day the RST was swallowed up was the day any pretence of that died.
That’s fine what did I find wrong in the first place please let me know so I don’t do it again as I am up with technologies data as I am of the old brigade@Albert Oribine mate need to delete your details and send a private message
Best not to post private information on the thread mateThat’s fine what did I find wrong in the first place please let me know so I don’t do it again as I am up with technologies data as I am of the old brigade
Have you posted on other sites?I have well over half the ridiculous number of members I need to call for a GM
Need some more boys and girls
I'm barred for life from Rangers mediaHave you posted on other sites?
Bump - come on - sign up.I have well over half the ridiculous number of members I need to call for a GM
Need some more boys and girls
Interesting take on something that didn’t actually happen. Especially interesting considering the source it probably came from.Threw toys out the pr pram when he was overlooked for the job someone far more qualified ended up getting . Then the snide social media posts started.
A very worthy cause. Sign up, Bears.I have well over half the ridiculous number of members I need to call for a GM
Need some more boys and girls
You’re not aloneI'm barred for life from Rangers media
King failed to protect his investment or the club during David Murray's time at the club.Not the video precisely, but overall my feeling is MM has held the highest office in the club and despite positives being evidenced by some posters, ultimately he failed, King succeeded.
We don't accept failure on the pitch, so why accept it off it? We aren't resigning Bruno Alves, or Waghorn. They had a go, and leave with best wishes and appreciation for any good they did.
I have zero skin in the game with the OP his pub, or pals or anyone with any profile linked to the club.
But I do need to use my own voice on here to say that what the OP is proposing isn't to me a coup by the back door, nor does he seem outwardly to be pressing himself or his own candidates into potentially vacant roles. There are plenty gaps in his approach, but assuming those gaps are for shady tactics isn't definitely true. But I blame nobody for reaching that conclusion based on historic actions by fans groups.
Is the OP nose out of joint as his pal was treated poorly? Yeah maybe, but sometimes that is what it takes for a cause to be kick started. An issue that you have maybe kept at arms length isn't as essential to ignore when it's at your door or in your ear directly.
It's really important people don't start seeing names pop up and see that as gospel or Roberts men. As there is no evidence that is the case, other than the poster asking an open question as to who people would see fit to steer in any interim period.
You, reader, poster, have as much right as the OP to state a name, or to abstain or criticise any suggestion.
But to offer nothing and then cry and say aw it's all other guys men getting mentioned so it must be a new clique forming isn't really Struthian values (sorry, just had to get that in somewhere).
It is also of course still all absolutely hypothetical. So anyone worried it is destabilising the club needs to settle down. Its just noise currently.
Time will tell if it is justified noise or not.
Again, I am no OP fanboy. I am vegetarian and a barely drink . His pints and free rolls are fucking useless to me. I have no link to that Reverend chap either and zero time for men of the cloth shite.
Despite that I can still see merit in what is being proposed.
Elevating MM into King territory is bonkers.King failed to protect his investment or the club during David Murray's time at the club.
He failed again to stop us falling into the hands of parasites.
So I don't really get your analogy.
Plus. Thats 2 failures and ultimately one of our greatest off field successes afterwards, for the club.
MM is trying to use his experience to help a fan group.
Not to get back in the door of Ibrox in a position of power.