Vony Tidmar
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I think he should be he's not the answeris it the case that the answer you’re looking for is for him to be sacked today?
I think he should be he's not the answeris it the case that the answer you’re looking for is for him to be sacked today?
This nosiy element are like coiled springs iching to go mental about anything and everything.We are in the league Cup, have qualified for the champions league and are two points behind the scum having had a far tougher run games including sharkhied away.
A very noisy element of the support is very angry with him about a lot of things. These are the guys who think they speak for all Rangers fans.
A far larger section of the support is just vaguely pissed off with how things are going at the club in general.
But the results are very good and he is not going to be sacked anytime soon.
I honestly feel if we have a better run of injuries and the new signings settle we will win the league.
I also have a lot more faith that Gio can win a cup than I ever did that Steve G would.
That said if the injury list doesn't improve we probably won't win a thing and Gio will be gone at the end of the season.
How would attract a quality manager when we sack our current manager for being 2 points off the top of the league in Oct.I think he should be he's not the answer
A 5 man defence means we couldn't get up the park and that's what happened, playing S Davis from the start bonkers with Jack and arfield on bench ,tillman out wide bonkers. Etc etcA five man defence when the opposition are playing Salah, Diaz, Jota and Nunez. Also a five man defence which includes, historically, two of our most potent attacking threats in Tav and Barasic. And finally, a five man defence up against players who are streets ahead of them in terms of talent and natural ability.
I also wouldn’t play Davis. I would like to see Tillman be allowed to control our midfield. But if we’d lost doing that it would be “why are we putting a kid in the middle of the park in such a big game?”
So that'll be a no then. You just don't want to back down and say it.Take your strawman argument and ram it up your hoop. I haven't got time for pointless drivel like this today.
Bang on.The guy is 2 points behind, nobody in their right mind would sack a manager in that position in rightly so.
Literally not lost a single game domestically to anyone other than celtic over a year in.
FF isn't really life, it's full of mental trying to outdo each other on who can be most pissed off at anything and everything.
Gio is winning us this league.
Celtic game in January. Must win or goodbye
We’ve just beaten hearts 4-0 away from home, whilst they got beat 2-0 off the mighty St Mirren and struggled over the line at home to Motherwell, having to take a red card to stop it finishing 2-2. They look more likely to drop points than we do. Especially looking at the run of games before the break.Scrap that.
If Celtic regain/extend their 5 point lead then he should be gone at that point, which will likely be before the next OF.
Dropping points is normal. The hystrionics from our fans and their form is not. I'm sure his win record will compare very favourably.That doesn't take away the poor performances and results from us. We held an advantage and put in some shockers. A must win at home to Celtic and we didn't turn up. Thumped at Celtic Park, draw at Aberdeen (Aberdeen were awful), draw at Ross County, draw at Tannadice, home to Motherwell.
I’m still struggling to see why, at this point.I think he should be he's not the answer
We’ve just beaten hearts 4-0 away from home, whilst they got beat 2-0 off the mighty St Mirren and struggled over the line at home to Motherwell, having to take a red card to stop it finishing 2-2. They look more likely to drop points than we do. Especially looking at the run of games before the break.
And then he plays Tillman again in that same position that he should have learned would not work. Leaves it until the game is gone as usual - doing nothing except watching that unfold like a shop window mannequin. He gets these big away games wrong mostly right from the start - and then waits around until the other team has won and is cantering around before making a sub.
We weren’t playing an ‘elite level’ team at Parkhead and it was the same negative attitude and performance that day. Whether it’s the tims or Liverpool we don’t appear to know what we are doing tactically.
I honestly don’t believe we were going to get “up the park” an awful lot last night regardless of personnel or tactics without risking an absolute doing.A 5 man defence means we couldn't get up the park and that's what happened, playing S Davis from the start bonkers with Jack and arfield on bench ,tillman out wide bonkers. Etc etc
Agreed there will be someone out there tho who thinks this would be a great opportunityI’m still struggling to see why, at this point.
Also, I can’t think of an affordable replacement.
Of course, we might get lucky and find somebody like the scum have.
Then again, we tried that with Pedro.
I’m not suggesting we stick with an unsuccessful manager , just that he hasn’t been unsuccessful yet.
Do you not understand that it's possible to be both disappointed with our performances and simultaneously not think that immediately binning the manager is the answer or in any way a progressive step to take at this point?So that'll be a no then. You just don't want to back down and say it.
It's an easy answer we are rangers, being second is not good enough anyone not willing to take the job on that basis shouldn't be in contention anyway!How would attract a quality manager when we sack our current manager for being 2 points off the top of the league in Oct.
Nobody is walking into a job when that gets you the sack.
We're 2 points behind in the league FFS. If you seriously thought we were getting out this group, then your delusional.I’d love to see him turn it around but I can’t see it… players have checked out, he isn’t getting what he needs from them - and for a variety of reasons whatever we did in the transfer window over the summer didn’t result in a squad of players who are able to carry out what he wants.
This is a difficult club to manage, we are built on domestic success and dominance… but we aspire to a European glory. The trouble is that achieving both is almost impossible and while last season we were so tantalisingly close to European success that most could forgive the faltering league campaign… what you are floundering in the league and in Europe as a Rangers manager then you are in big trouble.
We’ll forgive European failure if we are competing or winning in the league.
We’ll tolerate poor league form for European glory in the short term.
Not doing it on either front? It’s over.
We would have been on level points if Morelos had held the head and acted professionally plus if you look at all our tough away games it's not a bad place to be.We're 2 points behind in the league FFS. If you seriously thought we were getting out this group, then your delusional.
There is Rangers way, or Gio way, in my opinion.I've read this whole thread and haven't seen anyone raise concerns about an issue I find under GVB both domestically and in the CL. There is a key deficiency in what I've been watching that hasn't specifically been mentioned so far.
What kind of football is Gio trying to get us playing? Because I can't work it out.
I could see the Gerrard/Beale style and appreciate, especially in Europe, for example, our smooth transition into shape when the opposition had the ball. I could also see our struggles to break down packed defences. I could understand it.
The scum under Postecoglou set out to attack early and relentlessly with fast movement of the ball. I get what they're doing.
The dross in the SPFL set up two banks of defenders and "park the bus" (against us and them).
What are we trying to do? What kind of team are we trying to be?
Almost a year under GVB and if someone asked me to describe what the "Rangers way" of playing is under GVB- I couldn't. I could tell them about the "horse shoe". I could tell them about the "keep the zero" concept. Both are repeatedly and predictably unsuccessful. But I genuinely don't see the vision. I don't know what - in the "this is how Rangers play" sense - he's trying to do.
Maybe others smarter than me can understand and explain.
Give me an example how you know this ?I can assure you mate the players are behind Gio 100%.
I think it's a factor.The players look like they can’t be arsed but I think it’s down to the negativity of the tactics they are being asked to play.
This is for me the biggest issue.
Totally agree.Agreed there will be someone out there tho who thinks this would be a great opportunity
Using Liverpool as a benchmark to our failings is hardly like for like is it?Ive said it since the start of the season, our fans would not be able to handle a poor Champions League campaign. Well, the online mentalists anyway. Doesn't matter if its the first time in this competition in over a decade, the lunatics want wins and fantastic performances and if they don't get it then everyone needs sacked and replaced.
Anyone with half a brain can see the team is struggling. This is natural after the Europa league Final last season. It takes squads/management teams time to recover from that. Look at Liverpool this season.
Lost the Champions League final and then lost one of, if not their most important player in Mane. Have had a poor start to the season and trying to adjust to their new players/way of playing.
Its the exact same with us. We lost Aribo and Bassey and still trying to adjust to not only our new players but also playing against the absolute elite and are struggling. Its totally normal.
Do the people of FF ever take time to think we may still be feeling the after effects of last season? No. Do people on here think that we may be struggling to adjust to new players and a major step up in opposition and it'll take time? No.
Too many of you can't see beyond you own noses.
Doesn’t suit the narrative.I can assure you mate the players are behind Gio 100%.
If you are happy with that then fair play, we never laid a glove on a team who shipped 3 at the weekend Vs the mighty Brighton. Granted they are a top class team but we didn't match them for effort and spirit we are nothing under Gio a boring meaningless vessel sooner he's gone the better!Hearts showed significant improvements. We got everything spot on.
Last night is against a team that are normally fighting for winning the champions league, and at a stadium which is renowned for being one of the toughest in world football. We have been spoiled in recent years with great European runs but let’s take a step back and realise we are playing in a competition, and in particular an extremely tough group, that is beyond our level at the moment.
I’m happy with Gio just now as long as we continue to see similar performances in the domestic games. We have players beginning to return from injury and no doubt that’s played a part in our struggles so far.
The constant witch hunts against our own managers and players is so exhausting, and actually does effect the team too. Let’s turn things around, and push for 56.
Not "claptrap" from my perspective, tazza - I really don't get what the aim is under Gio. I get changing tactics during a game to respond to specific circumstances, and I've seen him do that several times (and not do that several times). I just don't get what his vision of how he wants us to play looks like.There is Rangers way, or Gio way, in my opinion.
This “I cannot identify with or recognise his style” is claptrap.
Last season, he’d change tactics and style during the game as many times.
I've read this whole thread and haven't seen anyone raise concerns about an issue I find under GVB both domestically and in the CL. There is a key deficiency in what I've been watching that hasn't specifically been mentioned so far.
What kind of football is Gio trying to get us playing? Because I can't work it out.
I could see the Gerrard/Beale style and appreciate, especially in Europe, for example, our smooth transition into shape when the opposition had the ball. I could also see our struggles to break down packed defences. I could understand it.
The scum under Postecoglou set out to attack early and relentlessly with fast movement of the ball. I get what they're doing.
The dross in the SPFL set up two banks of defenders and "park the bus" (against us and them).
What are we trying to do? What kind of team are we trying to be?
Almost a year under GVB and if someone asked me to describe what the "Rangers way" of playing is under GVB- I couldn't. I could tell them about the "horse shoe". I could tell them about the "keep the zero" concept. Both are repeatedly and predictably unsuccessful. But I genuinely don't see the vision. I don't know what - in the "this is how Rangers play" sense - he's trying to do.
Maybe others smarter than me can understand and explain.
Brighton are 4th in the Premier League and have a squad worth about £250 million.If you are happy with that then fair play, we never laid a glove on a team who shipped 3 at the weekend Vs the mighty Brighton. Granted they are a top class team but we didn't match them for effort and spirit we are nothing under Gio a boring meaningless vessel sooner he's gone the better!
It’s the league form this calendar year.. we don’t play with purpose, we struggle to dominate matches, we rarely score more than 2 or 3 goals.We're 2 points behind in the league FFS. If you seriously thought we were getting out this group, then your delusional.
Agreed last night was Ryan jack or kamara time he plays Davis, sakala for all his faults is a better option than tillman right wing.I think where everyone is at is that Gio has our players believing they’ll get beat every time we play a better opposition. We’re any of them staring and gnarling at the Liverpool players in the tunnel, nope our guys wee more interested in getting an agreement as to whose top they were going to exchange after the match. Totally unacceptable.
He’s certainly doing his best with this playing a 37 yo Davis in there last night and totally throwing Tillman under a bus, the lad is never in a million years a right winger.
There are a chunk on here who remind me of the Celtic support , thinking they should win every game, playing cavalier football and screaming when they don’t.2 points off the pace in the league despite an extremely tough schedule of games.
Qualification for the CL against a very good PSV side and a Belgian side who finished second last year.
The game at the piggery was terrible and I have said all along that if we ended the first quarter worse than the 5 points we were tracking at, I would have said he’s a dead man walking as there would have been no wiggle room.
The domestic performances have not been brilliant but within them, we have won 3 of them 4-0 and only lost at parkhead.
There is a lunatic fringe on here that are demanding he is sacked, they will demand the next manager is sacked and so on.
The bottom line is, he doesn’t deserve to be sacked. The suggestion the players are not playing for him is also bollocks
Excellent post, we have over achieved so much in Europe over the last few years, that was never going to last forever, especially with the step up in class from the EL and CL.
Brighton are 4th in the Premier League and have a squad worth about £250 million. And have Shane Duffy! They are not a good side I'd fancy this poor rangers team to beat them. Point being we are piss poor in our set up with gio. I'd expect to put up a fight it was passive remanicint of Barca at Ibrox but with less dig against a worse side that Barca team where one the the greatest ever.
We are not at Liverpool's level but we could match them for commitment we didn't do that, that's why folk are pissed off!There are a chunk on here who remind me of the Celtic support , thinking they should win every game, playing cavalier football and screaming when they don’t.
If the lunatics get their way we will end up like them in the early 90’s going through a manager very 6-8 months , gradually getting a worse standard of applicant because they know a sacking is the end result.
As for the domestic stuff a Collum performance off being joint top.
As for the supposed shit football they obviously were not around for Walters teams. We’re we were crap but had more money than the other clubs and got grubbed by absolute shite in Europe season after season.
Using Liverpool as a benchmark to our failings is hardly like for like is it?
Celtic losing at St Mirren maybe reminds us that this is a league programme where, occasionally, everything doesn’t go to plan and that losing points is something that happens over a season.
FF seems now to be a board where a dropped point necessitates the sacking of a manager and even a 4-0 win at Tynecastle is scorned because the football was a bit boring.