Pele claims he was a better player than ‘one skill’ Lionel Messi

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  1. HammerT

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    I tend to dismiss anyone's football knowledge if they don't agree that Maradona was the greatest.

    That includes the blabbering Pele. Highlight reel full of dreadful misses and a career of goals v pub teams.
     
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    hahahahhaha. Away for a lie doon Pele , ya senile auld duffer. How many goals would Messi have if you included friendlies, testimonials and kick abouts in the park. Anti Argentinian attack. Racist auld fart.
     
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  3. Ascott

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    His comments on Messi are poor but Pele was the greatest footballer of his generation and although it is difficult for youngsters to see from grainy video evidence just how incredible he was with a football take a look at the many youtube captures of him in full flight. Take account of the surfaces he played on and the lack of protection that ball players had in his era.
    All generations have their greats but for me Pele will remain the number 1.
     
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  4. Earth Worm Jim

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    People thinking pele was better than messi haha

    Unbelievable
     
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    Bret Hart:D
     
  6. KimStelper

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    I agree with him, I would rate Maradonna higher than Pele but. Mardonna took an average team from Italy and made them the best, Messi couldn't do that.
     
  7. one rangers one love

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    This Messi wankfest needs to end now!

    Has Pele ever posed with a Celtic strip in his pomp?

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    Pele might be as bland as pot noodle Re controversy but that's what being a FIFA Ambassador is all about unlike that lady's front bottom Maradona but has he ever been involved with an organsation who refuses to recognize a foreign countries name and who's country invaded it by a fascistic regime?

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    Has Pele ever got the petted lip and cried "anti-football" at Rangers just cause he or his team mates couldnt score a goal against Rangers?

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    Naw didnt think so!

    So %^*& Messi and %^*& Maradona

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    And their disrespectful Jesuit bishop of Rome!

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    Plus he escaped aswell
     
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    Bret Hart fs
     
  10. Diego Maradona

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    That’s disappointing.
     
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    Read that he was most Brazilians favourite player when he was playing. He lived quite a life
     
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    Too subjective ………but for me yes ……he was ………but the game was very different.

    Still for me ……no one could hold a candle to the ‘Belfast Boy’.

    Something Pele even told him years ago.

    Pays your money ……you take your choice!
     
  13. Alex Venters

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    I'd rate both Pele and Maradona just above Messi, but can understand why the young guns of today will disagree.

    1. Maradona
    2 Pele
    3. Messi
    4. Best
    5. Cryuff
     
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    Whenever this thread comes up I try to imagine peak Federer blasting the ball past peak Fred Perry. These guys would look like aliens if they went back in time.
     
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    That’s pretty much how I see it too.
     
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    Drugs are bad for you ;)
     
  18. one rangers one love

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    I did qualify my statement with "in his pomp" TBF to Pele I dont think he would even get in the Craiglang 5 a side there.
     
  19. RutherglenGer72

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    Fair enough but I'd rather someone picked a side than pose with both. Regardless of age,experience or the inability to get a hard on :D
     
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  20. one rangers one love

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    What would you say if the guy said fellow ulster Scot George Best. Arguably the best player in the world on his day.

    Just cause he didnt play for Brazil or Argentina on the world stage was not hi fault.

    Still a world class player.
     
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  21. Drumchapel-Bear

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    It works the other way as well though. How good would Pele have been if he had all the modern training, football pitches, balls, more protection from refs, the sports science side of the game etc? When debating a GOAT in any sport you need to factor in all of the variables.

    I think simply looking at stats and achievements Pele would be the GOAT. Won the World Cup at 17 and was player of the tournament. Went on to win it another twice, he was the lynchpin of the most successful side in world cup history.

    His goal record for Brazil was outstanding. Also an amazing record at club level.

    You can't use not playing in Europe against him as not many south Americans did at the time. South American football would have been a superb standard back then.

    Pele is the GOAT for me.

    This will annoy the fanboys but for me, Cristiano would have a very strong case to be rated higher than Messi if he was to win the CL with Juve. His achievements for three of the biggest clubs on the planet in three different leagues and also winning the Euros with Portugal makes his CV look absolutely ridiculous.
     
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  22. borders billy

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    Pele learned to play with stane in a sock moving up to a boulder in a jumper when he was 7.
    For me he was the best but they all have a claim to the be top dog.
     
  23. hhss

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    You've took that too far
     
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  24. Maximus

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    Ronaldo, the Brazilian one, is in the top five. Unstoppable in his prime
     
  25. Chester Loyal

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    Messi is the GOAT.

    I’m still surprised there are people out there that try to argue it these days. Even in a “poor” season by his own incredibly high standards, he still outscored and out assisted everybody in European football (and most likely world football).

    The guy should have 8 or 9 Ballon D’ors, it’s a travesty that he only has 5.
     
  26. irvine96

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    Dont remember that
     
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    You gotta love folk who talk about themselves in the third person - the giveaway sign of a self-important rocket.
     
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  29. hammer17

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    Done nothing??

    He was 5 mins away in injury time from a pen shoot out to decide the World Cup, a World Cup he recieved the Player of the Tournament in and dragged the rest of the underperformers to the final

    You may call that nothing, I call it something
     
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    Junkie cheat in celtic fan shocker :p
     
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    Nah you guys mean Shawn Michaels.

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  32. Alex Venters

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    Of course he was and for me the best player ever produced in Europe.
     
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    That goal Carlos Alberto scores is simply brilliant, the pass by pele and smashed into the net , brilliant
     
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  34. one rangers one love

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    I rest my case.

    must be the only time that lady's front bottom wasn't the most drug addled in the building
     
  35. Alex Venters

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    Unquestionably the best in the last 25 years.
     
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    Quite bitter tbh .

    For me Pele was the best ever but disappointed with these ramblings .
     
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    Ssshhhhhhh.

    You can't tell the truth in here or talk sense :p.
     
  38. Grimsdale

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    Pele scored over 1000 goals. Easy then though wasn't it.
     
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    That overhead kick against the Bosch, the Cruyff turn and Davie cooper every 2nd saturday was probably the biggest influences for me getting my arse oot the door and play fitbaw as a kid.
     
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    Messi and Maradona never beat the Germans with an American actor in goals.
     
  41. Damsidebear

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    Agreed, close thread.
     
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    I think the perspective of time may see Messi at the top of the GOAT tree, but right now he’s still behind Maradona for me, and in all honesty, probably Pele too.

    His inability to light up a World Cup in the manner either of those two did (you could add Cruyff into the mix on that front also) will always count against him, IMO.

    To say he’s done it more consistently at club level doesn’t fully take into account the way club football has changed in the last twenty odd years.

    The CL has engendered the rise of the super club, of which Barcelona are the very epitome - and in doing so has reduced competition to their preserve.

    It’s been said before, but if the CL setup was around in the ‘80s we’d have seen a lot more of Maradona in Europe’s premier club event, but he was restricted by the old format and a league that was more competitive than La Liga is now.

    Similarly Pele.

    These greatest of all time arguments therefore always tend to favour more modern players due to the available TV footage of them in action: Pele - very little; Maradona - a good bit more; Messi - 24 hour saturation point.

    And the latter is fresher in the memory, but I still think when he finally hangs up his boots, he’s going to have a lot of sleepless nights replaying that moment in the 2014 final when he had the chance to win it but stuck it just wide of the post.

    Had it gone two or three inches the other way, I think the argument would be academic.
     
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  43. carlosapicella

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    Agree !hey guys if you don't like what Pele says,then answer with a bit of dignity,no need for silly name calling of a footballing great ,we all have our own opinions!
     
  44. GeeGee

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    Pele - poor mans Mark Walters.
     
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    There is always a contrary argument about Pele v Maradona.

    Maradona inspired a not too great team to be world champions. That makes him best.
    Pele played in the greatest world champion team ever, but every other player without hesitation said he was head and shoulders better than them.

    Same debate will still be raging in 100 years!
     
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    I've always considered Pele to be the greatest player to ever grace a football pitch but I have to say that I'm a little disappointed in his comments.
    I would have expected a player of his stature in the game to appreciate the skills of truly World Class players like Messi rather than attempt to pick holes in his game, they are after all in the same "club" of being one of arguably the top footballers of all time!
    It's also quite amusing to hear some obviously young pups declare Pele as nothing more than a senile auld prick!...that's football treason!
    :)
     
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  47. carlosapicella

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    Good post mate bet you still get pelters,don't think the young guys have seen half of peles clip,first one I can remember trying to chip the Uruguay goalie from the half way line 1970 and many more,just never showed anywhere now,pity!
     
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    Yes, and defences weren't as organised in Maradona's time as they are now .
     
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    Probably a generation thing, but when I was growing up it seemed the whole football world accepted Pele was the greatest.

    Not just the youngest ever to play in the world cup final. At 17, he then scored twice in it including one incredible bit of skill.

    I remember the 1970 team, they were football perfection. And Pele was their general, the main man, and a total genius.
     
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    Some amount of madness in this thread.

    Pelé was utterly streets ahead of everyone at the time. Notably, at the time.

    In terms of footballing talent, I’d suggest Morelos is close to what Pelé was. Like, if you got a time machine and sent Morelos back or Pelé forward, there wouldn’t be a huge gulf in it.

    Thus, Messi is the most technically gifted and best footballer to ever walk this earth. Undeniable.

    I’d walk in to an international team from 1958 ffs. Just do a Cruyff turn and blow everyone’s minds.

    The problem is is half of people just greatness on achievements and half of them judge it on ability.
     
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