NDC bear forever
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elite director
People are free to make up their own minds mate, I literally can’t force people to agree & I’m also acutely aware of how careful I need to be
My last post was as clear as it needed to be
I’ll ask you something mate, do you think Rangers would take Elite to court IF they intended on paying? Then suddenly get to court & Elite say ‘Em Aye we were gonna pay Mr Rangers?’
If you had a business which had a great working relationship with a retailer would you release a statement saying ‘You hope’ they would pay now (I think that alone tells you everything)
I don’t want to squabble with anyone either, so it’s up to you to decide
Nothing new in this that changes anything from the previous thread.
Elite were withholding for fear of breaking the injunction, as SDI were claiming that Rangers receiving money from Elite wasn’t allowed under the injuction. Court ruled that Elite paying paying Rangers wasn’t against the injunction, and payment could be made.
Now, obviously Elite withholding payment is a breach of the Rangers/Elite/Hummel contract. (Even if it was done for the right reasons, eg. to stop Rangers getting in bother for breach of the injuction) and as I said before, a bit of guesswork on my part, but I’d assume two companies simply can’t pay each other £2.8m. A bit of due process is required, there fore, as it’s technically a breach of contract, Rangers are taking Elite to court. Exactly as our statement says, for breaching the Rangers/Elite/Hummel contract
I did presume this would happen at the start and said as far as my knowledge goes, Elite have the money and will pay willingly. That is still my understanding.
Until Elite refuse to pay or try to fight this in court, then I’ll concede my defence of them.
However, I’m sorry ID10, no disrespect as a I know your info is normally spot on, but if your previous posts, suggesting we should boycott and Elite are bad guys, aswell as today’s “I told you so” posts, were all in-fact based solely on your knowledge that Rangers planned to sue Elite for this money. Then you are way off with this one. Unless you have proof Elite intend not to pay, then I still maintain your scaremongering and vague rumour starting was unjust. As even, I, someone who is putting up a defence of Elite and opposing your view, fore saw that Rangers would probably need to take Elite to court.
That being the case then surely there would be a swift out of court settlement?I genuinely think that this might be the case.
Iain you are miles off on this.
And be quicky snapped up by Sports Direct.Elite will go into admin to avoid payment ..
But still aren't. I'm suspecting they're not the good guys.Yes. Part of the court order meant Elite could make payment.
Absolutely mate. They are tinpot.They are a 2 Bob mob anyway as far as I'm concerned. Let down badly by them at Christmas despite ordering in plenty of time.
You surely can't believe what you have just typed?Mate, I completely understand your points I really do, and had I not been in the position I’m in, I’d probably be right behind you and calling to boycott too.
However, as I’ve said, I don’t presume to understand the ins and outs of business, contracts or business relationships.
All I have to go on is what I’ve been told, which in this instance contradicts what you’ve been told and what many others believe.
And I’m putting that info out there to give everyone the opportunity, as you say, to decide on their own.
I’m not daft, I know it’s pretty damning, and does not look good. But as I said, I’m just trying to take what I know and apply it to the situation, and come up with a logical conclusion.
What am I not supposed to believe? That I’m telling other people information that I have been told, that contradicts what others are saying? Not sure why I shouldn’t believe that.. I have been told information which contradicts the general consensus, and I have told people that.You surely can't believe what you have just typed?
Reading between the lines he's saying there is a dispute over the cash and all will be revealed soon in court.I’m rather surprised that I got a reply from him, however his reply is far too cryptic.
Guys at Heart & Hand said Elite are now working with Sports Direct! However that’s being disputed on here too. It would explain the non payment right enough. Unreal!But still aren't. I'm suspecting they're not the good guys.
The part where a company that wants to pay has so far refused to pay and is going to court.What am I not supposed to believe? That I’m telling other people information that I have been told, that contradicts what others are saying? Not sure why I shouldn’t believe that.. I have been told information which contradicts the general consensus, and I have told people that.
If you choose to believe the other consensus then that’s up to you mate. As I’ve openly admitted, if I wasn’t in my current situation, I’d be right there with you.
I’ve never used the word Boycott, let’s be clear mate
I’ve stated facts, if you’ve given money to Elite it’s not getting to the club
So people need to be aware of that
i for one am sick of boycotting, people can make up their own minds
what I want is a solution & Rangers get their money
I’m rather surprised that I got a reply from him, however his reply is far too cryptic.
No sure where this nonsense comes from but theres no way Rangers are taking out a 10 year lease on anythingWith a ten year rent to pay.
Boycott on now until this is paid over.
You haven't, but thats what you have been suggesting and the various replies seem to be taking that suggestion as fact. I have no idea what's happening but you're playing with half information, for whatever reason, and causing a groundswell of opinion, without actually saying anything, as well you know, and getting uppity to anyone who might have a differing opinion. Either say what you are implying outright or leave it at that mate, you're doing yourself and others no favours here with the "i never said" stuff.I’ve never used the word Boycott, let’s be clear mate
Yeah sorry mate, not meaning to put words in your mouth. I know your careful with what you post.
Only thing I would add, which is the basis of our opposing arguments. Is that the money spent in Elite hasn’t reached Rangers, YET. I’m still hopeful that it will, with little or less (further) fuss.
Anyway, I’ve said my bit, understand people don’t agree, which they are well within their rights to do. All we can do now is wait and see the next bit of info, or hopefully, an outcome which is positive, most importantly for the club.
Two ways of looking at the reply I reckon.
1. Smug and smarmy, think this is bad watch out.
2. I dont actually need to reply here, but I'm going to to give an indication that things aren't as bad as being made out.
The guy didn't need to get himself involved in a Twitter back and forward.
Just my take on it.
Not a lit of it going around, but may well be one for a bit of patience to see what's happening.
for whatever reason I think it’s number 2. Nothing but a gut feeling to back that up. None of this makes any sense.
Is there anything in the retail agreement saying that if the retail partner goes bump then all contracts are ripped up and we are free. Wishful thinking on my part I think.
Maybe with Elite. That still leaves you know who.for whatever reason I think it’s number 2. Nothing but a gut feeling to back that up. None of this makes any sense.
Is there anything in the retail agreement saying that if the retail partner goes bump then all contracts are ripped up and we are free. Wishful thinking on my part I think.
It may seem like it, but the two of you are really just saying the same thing in a different way.
ID10 explaining that we are not getting the money from Elite currently. Which you aren't disputing?
You are disputing that we will get the money? But that doesn't change that we know full well Rangers are due a sum.
I dont see ID10 calling for any sort of boycott, nor do I see you providing any clarity on us getting money currently. ID10 hasn't been told anything, or hiding behind claims, he is just laying out the facts.
No offense Iain but you are making an awful lot of noise in the thread but not making much of a sound.
And wouldn't the Club be the main creditor?Elite can’t just choose to go into admin, they need to prove insolvency and not they forced out otherwise the corporate directors are off to jail if this is planned. It’s bad, but I suspect for the first time not some MA master plan.
I think essentially our points differ on the stance of Elite. ID10 has, in a previous thread, said he has been told info, and intimated that Elite are not friends of Rangers and has (again without putting words in ID10’s mouth as I can’t be bothered looking up the exact quote) vaguely suggested Ashley is involved with Elite.It may seem like it, but the two of you are really just saying the same thing in a different way.
ID10 explaining that we are not getting the money from Elite currently. Which you aren't disputing?
You are disputing that we will get the money? But that doesn't change that we know full well Rangers are due a sum.
I dont see ID10 calling for any sort of boycott, nor do I see you providing any clarity on us getting money currently. ID10 hasn't been told anything, or hiding behind claims, he is just laying out the facts.
No offense Iain but you are making an awful lot of noise in the thread but not making much of a sound.
No sure where this nonsense comes from but theres no way Rangers are taking out a 10 year lease on anything
You missed out Ronnoe being jailed alsoHistory repeating?
2006 Rangers sign deal with JJB Sports
2007 Chris Ronnie (friend of Mike Ashley) buys Dave Whelan's shares.
2009 JJB Sports in trouble. Ashley buys Chris Ronnie's shares. Ronnie under investigation for fraud.
2012 JJB Sports go into administration.
What went wrong at JJB Sports?
As an example of what can go wrong at a previously successful retail business JJB Sports - which has fallen into administration - has few rivals.www.bbc.co.uk
'Lacklustre management'
From Mr Whelan's point of view, he has publicly blamed the various bosses who have led JJB since he left the company.
Bryan Roberts, retail insight director at Kantar Retail, agrees with him.
Mr Roberts said: "Since Mr Whelan departed, the company has been run into the ground by lacklustre management teams.
"It has been out muscled by Sports Direct, and has had to borrow money from its shareholders just to stay afloat."
And now, after administrators were appointed at JJB, Sports Direct has acquired 20 of its stores, the brand and the website.
The remaining stores will be closed, leading to about 2,200 workers losing their jobs.
Probably had a matching clause at the end of that too. I've got to assume the worst of the fat prick.See with how long it’s taking and the mounting cost , we should have took the hit for the 7 year to get out the Ashley deal and then walked away to do whatever we liked. We would only be two and a half years away from the end of the 7 from when King and 3 bears saved us. Where as current fiasco could run on for another 2-3 years at least
The reality is that because of close connections to the club @ID10 Is restricted to some extent on what he can say in case it rebounds on the club as a breach of a legal agreement.You haven't, but thats what you have been suggesting and the various replies seem to be taking that suggestion as fact. I have no idea what's happening but you're playing with half information, for whatever reason, and causing a groundswell of opinion, without actually saying anything, as well you know, and getting uppity to anyone who might have a differing opinion. Either say what you are implying outright or leave it at that mate, you're doing yourself and others no favours here with the "i never said" stuff.
Edited to add - I always keep an eye on your info, so I'm not trying to give you the hump, just asking you to be upfront one way or the other.