Rio Loyal
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Wouldn’t be my choice.
Stick with Gerrard
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Wouldn’t be my choice.
Rio Loyal
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He wouldn’t with our resources he also regularly beats Kille .
BrooklynBlue
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And there you go again suggesting McInnes would be a Championship-winning manager at Ibrox. Why wouldn't you want him!?
BlueSeaOfIbrox
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And he would have if not for corrupt referees
Why should we sack him because of a referee?
Jjbscotty
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We could’ve played until 10pm that night and we weren’t scoring.
Rio Loyal
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No i didn’t go back and show me where I said McInnes would be a championship winning manager all I said was he would beat the dross .
scooter70
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It’s painful but if a complete neutral was looking at this without emotion they would be saying he’s done a good job
Trying to catch a side who has had so many years of dominance with all the cash they’ve accumulated whilst managing a club who are hugely restricted was never going to be done in such a short period of time, bottom line is he has improved us massively but the gap to close them down was and is so big, maybe too big for anyone given the same restrictions
He has his faults, many of them but not sure where else we would go for a manger now, we are sadly still seen as a basket case by many in the game
This obsession of theirs around 9 or 10 is hurting us as a club, we have no room to breathe, I’m afraid we need to let that go and concentrate purely on making us the best we can be and forget about them
Trying to catch a side who has had so many years of dominance with all the cash they’ve accumulated whilst managing a club who are hugely restricted was never going to be done in such a short period of time, bottom line is he has improved us massively but the gap to close them down was and is so big, maybe too big for anyone given the same restrictions
He has his faults, many of them but not sure where else we would go for a manger now, we are sadly still seen as a basket case by many in the game
This obsession of theirs around 9 or 10 is hurting us as a club, we have no room to breathe, I’m afraid we need to let that go and concentrate purely on making us the best we can be and forget about them
BrooklynBlue
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We're dropping points to St.Johnstone, Kilmarnock and Hearts. If McInnes is winning those as you confidently predict, we're at the top. Or is McInnes not winning the other games?
Rio Loyal
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He can’t beat the Tims and wouldn’t be any good in Europe but he would beat the dross .
Carlisle Bear
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There's a tendency to look at it too broadly.
My issue with Gerrard is the consistent failure in a specific type of game. His record in games against Kilmarnock and Aberdeen is very poor. He has failed to win against Kilmarnock, Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts on 18 occasions in all competitions and it's basically those games that are costing us domestic success - is that learning?
His system is too possession orientated, do we need to be so consumed by dominating the ball against St Mirren? If we give it away are they going to pop it about for 10 minutes? Get attackers on the pitch and play the percentages.
He has to stop criticising his players in public, that should be the nuclear option that is seldom used.
I don't agree with how SPL games are officiated but he has to factor that into his gameplan. Refs will let players kick the shit out our players and obstruct our build up play. Walter knew it and I hate to say so does Lennon. It was mistake to let McCrorie go for example - get a core of Scottish/N.I players that can win the battles and offset that with your foreign (that includes English players) flair players.
Post 1985 say, have we ever had success any other way?
Gio#56
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This, and it all falls into place for the corrupt mob. Players get managers the sack. In our instance Refs have put pressure on SG. But he should have been calling them out when the corrupt core of bigots went into overdrive to ensure we were not playing on a level playing field.
Look how clancy allowed our players to be booted off the park and when it became redicolous pulls out his yellow card. Now watch how quick he was to book Kilmarnock players at the piggery. Basically causing 1 team injuries and giving no fouls in our case, whilst bending backwards to help his own team in celtics.
Greggy75
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So who would be your choice? And be real, don't gives us a Pep or Klopp answer
laudrup71
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It's funny - I've bene on FF forever, but this is the first thread where I think BOTH sides are right (In their own way).
I think it's beyond question that we've made progress. However, for the money we've spent, have we made the progress to match that investment? And can Gerrard see us through this patch and onto bigger and better?
I think the jury is our on whether we're making the progress we should. I suspect the correct answer is: no, we're not making the progress we should be given the investment we've made. That said, was it ever going to be simple with a rookie manager that clearly has bags of potential, but not a lot of actual achievements?
I think for the moment we need to stick with Gerrard. Continuity tends to breed more success than churn, and we've had more turkeys than Bernard Matthews in recent years. I'd much rather opt for the chance of progress than chucking the baby out with the bathwater and starting again.
I think it's beyond question that we've made progress. However, for the money we've spent, have we made the progress to match that investment? And can Gerrard see us through this patch and onto bigger and better?
I think the jury is our on whether we're making the progress we should. I suspect the correct answer is: no, we're not making the progress we should be given the investment we've made. That said, was it ever going to be simple with a rookie manager that clearly has bags of potential, but not a lot of actual achievements?
I think for the moment we need to stick with Gerrard. Continuity tends to breed more success than churn, and we've had more turkeys than Bernard Matthews in recent years. I'd much rather opt for the chance of progress than chucking the baby out with the bathwater and starting again.
Rio Loyal
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There are lots of proven managers out there I would stick out an advert and see who applies take it from there .
No more projects or rookies.
Greggy75
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Aye nae bother. Put it on Facebook and see who applies. Ffs
Rio Loyal
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How do you think we have got every manager we got or mainly just pick someone out of thin Air I very good .
Greggy75
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I've never heard of us posting an advert for the job. Springburn job centre might be able to help us
Greggy75
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You've been on here all day talking about Gerrard. You must have someone in mind who could come in and do better
Rio Loyal
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I your on the recruitment take it your not a boss or in charge of a Buisness,
You put the word out and see who’s interested.
Rio Loyal
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Ive said keep him to the summer and if he doesn’t win at least the cup he should go .
I have no idea the money available and who wants it if I had the full picture I could no doubt pick a better manager than we have.
Does it really matter?
Any manager he says you'll shoot it down for being unrealistic.
You've already stated we cant switch managers due to financial resources so for you its Gerrad only.
Greggy75
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As I've said, will Springburn job centre help us vet the applicants?
Rio Loyal
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Your just acting like a clueless petty child now .
Greggy75
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Not at all. I'm open to suggestions.
Blueranger45
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we need to keep him but he has to admit defeat with the 4-3-3 system for the games against the smaller clubs
if we can, we must play two upfront against these sort of teams
if we can, we must play two upfront against these sort of teams
WinkieWATP
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Aberdeen have lost four on the spin at home. McInnes certainly isn’t the answer ffs
Rio Loyal
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I never said he was I said with our resources he would have beaten StJohnstone away.
WinkieWATP
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Couldn’t beat Ross County at home at the weekend with Aberdeen’s resources which a gar superior to that of County’s.
Loads of sheep fans want him sacked
Greggy75
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Do you have any suggestions? Who do we get and how do we fund paying off Gerrard and his backroom staff, buy new man out his contract and give him money for new players? And as I've said earlier no Pep or Klopp suggestions. Keep it real
Rio Loyal
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Again I don’t want him again someone said Pep couldn’t have won yesterday I said a Jobber like McInnes would have won not once have I said i want him as manager
BlueSeaOfIbrox
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We could have played until 10pm and they still wouldn't have won either without referee's cheating.
You're literally suggesting sacking the best manager we've had since Walter Smith because of corrupt referees.
Literally giving them what they want.
We've had this discussion earlier.
My view is if this form continues Gerrad must go.. which would mean the board Using their own money again to pay off a failed manager and backroom staff.
I've already mentioned Chris Houghton.
I dont believe for 1 minute he wouldnt be interested or hes unrealistic.
He done a great job at Brigton despite how it ended last season.. he has loads of experience and he comes across like the cool, calm and collected type we need for what's ahead next season.
We have some very good players, international footballers and have guaranteed european football.
When Morelos leaves this summer that money will be reinvested into the playing squad and I dont doubt the board will back him.. the same way they backed Gerrad when there was apparently no money available.
He may also look at how Rodgers reinvented himself by coming to Glasgow and fancy it.
Greggy75
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Fair play to you mate for naming somebody. I don't know enough about him to say it he would do well or what. Has he ever won anything in his career, managed a team in Europe? Does the board have the resources to do what's required again? I would rather spend money on our squad than spunk it paying off staff
DJ_RFC_1872
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He has to get it right and hopefully fast.
He knows how to get us results in europe and i like that for the finances but we play weekly in Scottish football and if i had to pick i'd rather win domestically.
The worrying thing is we seem to be regressing and Gerrard has no answers for it.
We play to much around the back and don't attack fast enough allowing teams to get set.
We aren't patient enough at times and when things aren't going our way we panic and try to force it.
Has a team ever played two different formations one for europe and one for the league?
He knows how to get us results in europe and i like that for the finances but we play weekly in Scottish football and if i had to pick i'd rather win domestically.
The worrying thing is we seem to be regressing and Gerrard has no answers for it.
We play to much around the back and don't attack fast enough allowing teams to get set.
We aren't patient enough at times and when things aren't going our way we panic and try to force it.
Has a team ever played two different formations one for europe and one for the league?
GovanFront4
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Nonsense. European success = cash = league titles.
Scottish cup = a good day out and a trophy to lift.
Thats it. Europe is far more important than any of the cups, and depending on far we progress could be more important than a league win.
Jjbscotty
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What happens if we stick with Gerrard for next season and he goes another season without without silverware? How long would you give him?
Number Six
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This 100%! Anyone who says we’re not improving are either thick as mince or don’t want to see the woods from the trees
Blutoe
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Did he apply last time I wonder. His record at Both Brighton and before that Norwich started off great guns , fizzled out and ended in him being sacked. The pressure at Rangers under the circumstances of Gerard being removed and a support largely obsessed with him winning the league at the first attempt would be ridiculous. I’m not sure any decent manager worth bothering about would want that pressure. The only managers who would apply in those circumstances would be the desperate or the deluded.
BrooklynBlue
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I agree on McCrorie. I'm not a big fan of loaning players on the premise of 'getting games'.
I don't think they necessarily improve and our expensively-assembled coaching staff should be able to do that. I can only guess they don't see McCrorie having a place in the squad. The loan is the start of moving him on.
BlueSeaOfIbrox
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Will we have improved on this season?
We've improved since last year thus we should stick with him. If we improve next season aswell we should stick with him.
Jjbscotty
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Even if he fails to win a trophy at 9 attempts?
BlueSeaOfIbrox
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Yes?
If we're still improving next season and still haven't won anything then that's evidence that we were further behind than any of us thought.
However if he loses next season he will get sacked due to most of the fans turning on him as they're obssesed with 10iar. But it wouldn't be my doing.
He won the Championship with Brighton then kept them up for 3 seasons.
He has zero European pedigree but until we start winning things domestically it doesnt really matter to me.. I am however confident he could guide us to the group stages for the £££££ required.
I really want/ wanted Gerrard to succeed but tactically hes all over the place.
I just cant get behind a manager who cant see the obvious failings in his system.
99% of FF can see 2 up front suits us so much better.. the 20 mins where Kamberi and Alfie were on the park together proved its correct.. yet he reverts back to 433 and will do again at Tynecastle.. its infuriating.
For every good sub hes made I could name 2/3 that are mind boggling.. most are like for like even when struggling.
Rugby park was the final straw for me.. he stood like a mannequin for 80 minutes as the game was clearly slipping away from us.. I want a manager that's pro active and can change a game before the inevitable happens.
Hes had plenty time to correct this but he dosnt seem capable.
Jjbscotty
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That is honestly mental.
BlueSeaOfIbrox
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Being realistic is mental?
You don't sack a manager who's continued to improve your team, now that, is mental. You sack them when they regress or stalemate. Not when they're improving you.
"So Mr. Gerrard, we see we've finished with more points than last season. We also got further in the cups. We also got further in Europe. I see we also won for the first time in 10 years at the piggery. By the way, you're sacked." What the %^*& is wrong with people?
Jjbscotty
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Improvement at Rangers is winning silverware and if Gerrard goes 3 seasons without winning a single trophy after having 9 attempts at it then he must go.
BlueSeaOfIbrox
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Improvement is improvement. You forget where we were at it seems
"So Mr. Gerrard, we see we've finished with more points than last season. We also got further in the cups. We also got further in Europe. I see we also won for the first time in 10 years at the piggery. By the way, you're sacked."
Fucking mental place this.
KirkieRanger
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What's this? An outbreak of common sense? Very refreshing and long may it continue. You never know it might even catch on.
W.A.T.P.
Jjbscotty
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Winning at the piggery means nothing when you can’t beat shite Aberdeen and Kilmarnock teams.
