Britannia89
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Hes soft as shite imagine coming from Gerrard absolutely grilling you if you didn't pull your weight to Gio..
This has the Caixinha sacking written all over it.
Let Gio stumble into 22/23 and sack him when the title is over when the shops start putting the Christmas decorations out.
Due to the fact that you have to "Honour" these long term deals, resulting in massive payouts, for FAILURE etc, the imposition of a Worldwide Rule, that "1 Year Deals" are the maximum that can be awarded to ALL, employed in the Sport, would not be, a bad thing.What if he wouldn't accept a one year deal?
FFS, we're still in with a chance to win the Europa League and the Scottish Cup. May well need to be revisited post April, but for now there is still plenty to play for. We will be hailing GVB as a saint if he brings us European glory. We're on a downturn in form, yes. The dressing room isn't lost though.When Gio first came in we hit the ground running partly due to the 'new manager bounce', I guess.
Fast forward 5 months and realistically the wheels have came off the season and we've went from a strength of position to a real chance of finishing with nothing to show for it. We may not win any silverware this year.
Some of our best players have dropped off a cliff form-wise, gradually, since Gio came in... Aribo & Kent.
Some of the names that were guaranteed game time pre-Gio, like Barasic, Davis, Kamara etc aren't getting the minutes they used to.
Boys brought in to play but aren't playing... Diallo, Itten, Sands.
Boys not getting a start but watching Aribo contribute nothing week in, week out.. Lowry, Diallo, Sakala, Kamara..
This isn't a question of "is the manager right?", that's another argument. My point is, has Gio bombed too many players out and upset the dressing room? I feel like he's lost the players already. Something isn't right and going by Gio's XI every week it's clear half the squad aren't getting a look in. He's been too quick to throw some to the sidelines, he isn't using his squad and his squad aren't using him.
You can’t blame anything van bronckhorst has done on GerrardSome of these players were starting to go off the boil under Gerrard.
The malaise set in with the previous manager post Malmo.
I think you are spot on with how he's managed the squad. He's completely isolated players whom might have done a job as a sub and overall he's ran players into the ground. Yesterday we had three attacking players-one of them was unlikely to come on and the other was Arfield. We had a centre forward and a winger who whilst not at the required standard might just have given us something who weren't even in the squad.
Also Kamara whom I never rated as highly as some has been treated quite shabbily when he has been a big component of our build to 55. You can only guess what the players make of it.
This for me, is exactly what's happened. When you look at the majority of players he's bombed out of the squad you can argue that Gio has a point in terms of "are they good enough for us?"
But in doing so he's alienated a large amount of our squad in a very short space of time.
Gerrard said a few players were unhappy they didn't get moves they wanted in the Summer. These players are still here and will still be wanting a move. Their minds will be elsewhere.
Given Barisic comments in August about a move away and his dire performances since, he's definitely one of them and has rightly lost his place in the team.
Gerrard was intense to the point of obsessive.Hes soft as shite imagine coming from Gerrard absolutely grilling you if you didn't pull your weight to Gio..
I think you are spot on with how he's managed the squad. He's completely isolated players whom might have done a job as a sub and overall he's ran players into the ground. Yesterday we had three attacking players-one of them was unlikely to come on and the other was Arfield. We had a centre forward and a winger who whilst not at the required standard might just have given us something who weren't even in the squad.
Also Kamara whom I never rated as highly as some has been treated quite shabbily when he has been a big component of our build to 55. You can only guess what the players make of it.
I agree, he's now facing down the barrel. Odds-on defeats in Europe and twice to Celtic, he's a goner.Absolutely - hiring a top manager is tricky full stop.
Gio isn’t that though, and that’s why for me we shouldn’t have put a lengthy deal on the table.
Worst case scenario, which is sadly a real possibility, we go out of Europe and the Scottish cup in the next couple of weeks. If that was to happen, a massive chunk of our support would turn on him.
We can go on about the manager all we want, but the truth is that these players have bottled it. Without Morelos, I didnt feel confident we'd score an equaliser, never mind a winner. Can talk about tactics all you want, but we had ample opportunity to hit their goal and it was squandered by individual errors and mistakes.
His subbing of Ramsey and Jack was necessary. Jack was having a shocker and about 5 mins for getting a straight red, and Ramsey doesn't have the legs. Class player, evidently the best on the field, but he's two yards off the pace.
People on here can talk about tactics and the manager all day long, but today we set out with intensity, then our players bottled it. We didn't have enough quality in final third at all, and as such it never looked likely we'd get level.
Jury is out on Gio, btw. I'm not sat there thinking he's played a blinder since he's come in. But my contention is that this bunch of players can't hack pressure and go missing.
Also, think we need to stop this 'celtic are gash' chat. They're not the world beaters their bead rattlers would have you believe, but they were organised and effective there.
I’m certainly not sure he can be trusted with a rebuild (a big part being that I’m not convinced by Wilson either) but I don’t really see anything to suggest behind the scenes issues and usually there’s at least some hint of unrest/discomfort that comes across in interviews, etc.I'm not so sure.
There is always a big area that the punters don't see and that's behind the scenes-the relationship between the manager and the squad and of course how the Board see him in overall terms. If that's not right then he might be toast.
Goldson's words were completely taken out of context but the fans absolutely love a bonfire with the players. Goldson was wanted out the club and out the team and yet all things being equal he's been largely excellent this season.
There is a lot of anger directed towards the players generally-we are that type of club-we bounce to extremes but it is what it is nobody can even remotely say they haven't had a series of personal and collective disasters.
But fundamentally management isn't just about bringing in your own players -it's about a whole raft of things-Gio looks out of his depth and his personality is like it or lump it another negative factor. Can we afford to allow him to rebuild? I'm far from sure.
The alarm bells perhaps should have been ringing back in January Roy Makaay was interviewed on RTV prior to the Aberdeen game he said that finally they had, had time (the winter break) to work with the squad and get the team playing their way, presumably go 1-0 up and try and shut up shop the rest of is historyWhich only puts us even further behind. I genuinely dread to see the garbage we sign in the summer. GvB isn’t going to change his ways. It’s dull, predictable, turgid, unsuccessful football for the foreseeable.
Even his backroom staff just look so far out their depth. What are Vos and Makaay bringing to the table - nothing by the looks of it. Tactically inept.
Hearts and Dortmund away ?We’ve barely had a decent 45 mins under him domestically in 6 months. Keep gio and we aren’t winning another league for a long time. Totally out his depth
Hearts and Dortmund away ?
True, it was not in defence of GVB as its the only two I can think ofAs I said Domestically he has been rubbish. Dortmund away was obviously amazing but Hearts away we were lucky not to concede about 4 goals. Hibs the week or so after was a dreadful performance alongwith Aberdeen away a few weeks later again.
I see enough to believe that with his own players he could improve us, I don't get the negativity around him.
I put this in another thread, but think its worthwhile here too.
21/22 Season before yesterday:
Gerrard - 2.30 Points per Game
Gio - 2.39 Points per Game
After yesterday the numbers are pretty much the same (Gerrard had 1 OF game, Gio 2) . We're no better or worse now than we were under Gerrard, the only difference is that Celtic have got better. For me that points to the squad, not the manager. If Gerrard had been here we would have been in the exact same situation based on his results.
I don't disagree that Gio deserves criticism, but the criticism that he has made the team worse and "This wouldn't happen under Gerrard" is not true.
When you're winning you need to invest in and freshen up the squad, we didn't do that, that's why we're in the mess that we are now.
I’m certainly not sure he can be trusted with a rebuild (a big part being that I’m not convinced by Wilson either) but I don’t really see anything to suggest behind the scenes issues and usually there’s at least some hint of unrest/discomfort that comes across in interviews, etc.
That’s not conclusive proof of anything by any stretch, but I just can’t see the board axing him this quickly when he’s had no chance to put his own team out there yet.
If they do stick with him, then I think failing to allow him to overhaul the squad to his liking would be a monumental screw up on their part and would be utterly counterproductive.
As for Goldson, yes there was some daft hysteria around his remarks back then, but even the most level-headed of us could see it as an insight to where the squad mentality was at the time.
GVB actually came in and initially settled us, particularly on a defensive note. But that has all the signs of a new manager bounce given what we’ve witnessed in the longer term since.
I see a manager faced with the same problems Gerrard had a team who can be brilliant and hardworking when it suits them and totally lethargic in the league.Out of interest, what is it you see?
I certainly think the rattlers will attempt to humiliate us at the piggery. Who can say with any authority they won’t having watched the Managers previous attempts to outwit the convict.I don’t see us beating them at Hampden and if that’s the case, you can see another hiding in the last Old Firm of the season. It could get nasty.
I think GvB will still be in place in the summer, and I hope he is. Tactically he probably has more about him that Gerrard. He has an ageing inherited squad who are very decent, but let us face it are not serial winners.
We need a goalie, a left back, a centre half, centre mid, and right winger and that's without any of the starting eleven apart from McGregor moving on. If Alfie and / or Kent move on then we are looking for more.