Union Bears Statement on UEFA's decision

blueballs

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What support do you need from the club not to sing about Fenians the IRA and Bobby fkn Sands?
Not the point mate.

If your charged, you must be entitled to respond. Now, let me be clear, theres little I can think of that can be said in mitigation - the fans are to blame for where we are....but as a principal, who spoke on behalf of the club, what was agreed and what was said.

Cause otherwise, its what's coming that worries me. If theres no club representation to a charge, if theres no cognisance of what we may have put in place to address the issues, if nobody stands up (hypothetical for Thurs) and says actually that report you have got is disputed for reasons x, y or z....then were screwed already.

There will be no shortage of haters looking to report us, regardless of the validity of their claim. Haters hate. But who stands up and pushes back on any Future charge??
 

westenclosurebear

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And we’ve took away the tickets from the guys who do more to promote old Rangers songs than anyone else and realise the position were in now.

And ibrox will now be full off pissed up Euro day trippers

Crazy stuff.
Staggering view to have nevermind post. And that's after their half arsed statement earlier today.
 

derbyloyal

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Firstly the UB weren’t singled out. BF1 was and for the reasons discussed before.

The OF allocation is simply due to having more RSCs than ever before, more ST holders than ever before, and more of the family stand buying their tickets than ever before. Not sure what they could do there to satisfy demand
Not having a go at you personally mate, I've just had my ears bashed by a lot of disappointed members in my RSC.
 

student_loyal

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Not having a go at you personally mate, I've just had my ears bashed by a lot of disappointed members in my RSC.
And members of the away scheme in the same boat. Re away tickets we've all found ourselves in the same situation thanks to basics supply & demand economics.
 

Zapp Brannigan

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@Greg Marshall the club need to do what Linfield did. A strong, clear statement saying which songs cannot be sung under any circumstances. If they don't, we will see a stadium closure for certain. Please get the club to lead this and be proactive.

However it makes us look, it is the only way to deal with this. If it's left up to fans to figure it out and self police it will be a disaster.
 

Craig McColl

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Staggering view to have nevermind post. And that's after their half arsed statement earlier today.
They have played a large part in bringing back old Rangers songs as have the BO and also new chants exclusively about Rangers with no religious or political connotations.So don't think it's a staggering view at all.
 

derbyloyal

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This is absolutely laughable. Who needs educated on what is a sectarian chant? Don't sing about Fenians, Catholics, the Pope, the IRA/UVF and we wont get booted out of Europe. It's really not difficult.
The Club tell us exactly what songs are going to get us in bother then ban anyone who doesn't heed their advice gets a ban. No ambiguity, the Club showing leadership, everyone fully aware of what is expected. What is so laughable about that?
 

leviathan

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It’s all there in the second sentence of the second paragraph. “...and at no time have we been taken to task for the nature of the songs or the content therein.”
Why not? Why has the club not had a quiet word in the ear of the leadership of the UB and told them to cut it out?
They’ve had a quiet word...over the tannoy before every game.
 

LOL 133

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But it’s not for the club to defend the indefensible. The singing that game was loud and clear and I knew straight away we would be in trouble for it. The commentators also commented on it. It wasn’t one or two idiots that got the club in trouble. We can argue over whether it’s racist but the authorities (UEFA, government, police) class it as racism and we have to accept that. The club should not be fighting uefa on it - we just need to accept we can no longer sing the songs. The “but other teams can sing” nonsense is irrelevant. Don’t sing banned songs we don’t get in bother. What’s so difficult?
What's difficult is we dont even know what songs are banned? FARE are judge, jury and executioners. They decide and they can go whatever way the wind blows.
 

derbyloyal

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And members of the away scheme in the same boat. Re away tickets we've all found ourselves in the same situation thanks to basics supply & demand economics.
We got 4 tickets for the Old Firm last season and got only 1 for next week, that's a massive difference.
 

dirtyharry

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The board didn't engage with fans? The club issued a statement before the St Joseph's game to remind fans that our support is under scrutiny.

You want the club to go to war with everyone, however, currently the club is being attacked because supporters have given others an open goal to attack us. UEFA don't really care about whataboutery, concentrate on ourselves - cut the fenian chants and we won't have any more issues.

Also note that Greg mentioned in this thread he's met with supporters concerning this sanction. That is the club engaging. Unless you want Dave King to meet every supporter for a cup of coffee, I'm not sure what more you want the club to be doing.
We are not under attack due to an open goal, those that want to attack have attacked for years and will continue to do so until we stand up to it. After the songs go, they will have the next line attack ready and waiting.

In today's modern society we need to change, of that there is no doubt.
But please, stop kidding on they are not at work to harm us and it's all our own fault.
 

True Blue Avenger

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It absolutely terrifies me that people cannot see the gravity of this and think the club going against FARE is an option here. UEFA do not care. Calls for parity right now are a scream into the void. If people cannot grasp this everything we have worked to rebuild over the last 8 years could be destroyed.
This is where I'm at too and it's a horrible feeling to realise that the longer this internal disharmony goes on, the more we edge towards the worst case scenario becoming a reality. The last few days feels like we are hurtling towards the void and we can only hope that Thursday passes without incident.

We cannot win any form of fight against UEFA / FARE, regardless of how valid some of our points are re parity and victimisation. It is impossible in the current climate. We could maybe challenge any future sanctions if it is apparent that FARE are changing the goalposts or picking up on the most obscure and tiny minority of chants (both of which I think they will do) but for now, the board have no choice but to do exactly what they have done this week.

UB are not solely to blame here, far from it, and I've actually hardly seen any posts on here that suggest that despite the "they're being scapegoated" narrative. They do bring loads of positive stuff to the table. But that statement does not help. No real constructive ideas, repeated criticism of the board and a lack of acceptance of ANY accountability whatsoever- pretty much everything I hoped they wouldn't come out with.

I do have some sympathy over certain elements of their treatment but they have to accept more than is maybe their fair share of the blame here purely by virtue of them being the most prominent singing section and the very area that have been singled out by UEFA. Of course the club have to act on that ffs! But accept, adapt and lead the way forward is the only positive way forward here. Get everyone round a table and agree on the next steps.
 

blueballs

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The club were charged and found guilty and had to remove sections totalling no less than 3000 seats. BF1 was in the charges that we were found guilty on.

It’s not inevitable- we have an opportunity to sort this once and for all
But Greg, you confirmed earlier if we are reported again for same offence, next sanction is stadium closure.

Let's not be daft here. We know that for various mischievous reasons, there is no doubt UEFA will receive reports of what some will deem repetition of what got us here. It will happen. So, unless there is a primary source of info which UEFA will only accept - match delegate or FARE (!!??) - over and above the tweets and emails probably already drafted, and unless there's transparency over the process, it's starting to seem inevitable.
 

1690

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You realise the club had to close 3000 seats. It didn’t matter what they did they were going to be criticised. I think what they have done is the best way of dealing with it, and it’s unfortunate that innocent fans are caught up in it. Maybe that’s what it will take.
But why target people in BF1 who weren't involved? I wasn't even present at the game, and wasn't given an offer of a seat elsewhere. If we've run out of seats then I'd rather have a fairer system of punishment, like a random ballot. I've literally lost my seat just because at other games I sit in the proximity of some of the offenders.
 

ecossebear

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And does anyone think if Dave King thought we’d had any chance whatsoever of winning an appeal that he wouldn’t have looked into it? It’s costing us in both cash and reputation. The fact it’s been accepted and not challenged shows we are guilty
 

Empire

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Folk said while we came back up the leagues that the songs we were singing would land us in trouble when back in Europe, and here we are.
I kinda see the argument from both points of views.

There was plenty warning that FARE were going to be in attendance that evening on Social Media. I can specifically remember when the song started, a guy behind me saying FARE are here tonight, we’ll get done for that....and he was right. That’s the thing, folk in our support aren’t stupid. They know the game our enemies play and they played us like a fucking fiddle. The folk singing the songs need to probably be a lot more clever in situations like that.

Other clubs have had countless fines over the years (guess who) for various offences yet there are no stand/section closures. Second we are back in Europe, we get it done straight away with a harsher sentence. That’s what needs to be questioned. And the club better do that.

Now financially there isn’t probably much of a difference between the total amount of fines from UEFA for different charges over the years and the loss of revenue from a stand being shut but politically the headlines of a stand being closed due to “racist singing” is a lot worse than “club gets fined” and again it’s another incident that gives our enemies leverage. They want Rangers to be portrayed as the worst fans going and sometimes we don’t help ourselves but the majority of times, it’s a clever game plan by various influences. It can be the BBC, it can be Clyde and it can be the idiots in the media like Spiers and Leckie and on this occasion, it’s the Celtic minded FARE.

The songs need to stop, its that simple. However I don’t like this undercurrent of “it’s all the UB’s fault” from some in our support and the club.

We should be together on all fronts and you have the UB’s with an axe to grind with the club and the club going for the UB’s. It’s not good.
 

Bowery Boy

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The Club tell us exactly what songs are going to get us in bother then ban anyone who doesn't heed their advice gets a ban. No ambiguity, the Club showing leadership, everyone fully aware of what is expected. What is so laughable about that?
It's laughable because we all know what songs we can and can't sing. The Sash, Derry's Walls, Rule Britannia and Rangers songs are all fine. Songs about Fenians, the Pope, Catholics etc aren't.
 

EKBB

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Disagree entirely. It didn’t used to be banned it is now. It really isn’t that difficult to follow. Normal people manage to go about life without it, why can’t the rest of us do do. Clearly we have a group of Rangers fans (including UB) who feel their right to chant unacceptable phrases is more important than the reputation and health of the club. How ridiculous is that?
That is true. I would give people the benefit of the doubt and say they maybe didn't quite grasp the seriousness of it before now but anyone still singing it deserves all they get.
 

mad4rfcme

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So the filth can sing in praise of that vile bunch of child killers but we can't sing in displeasure of them. What nut-job makes up these lop sided rules?
 

Gramps1

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It's laughable because we all know what songs we can and can't sing. The Sash, Derry's Walls, Rule Britannia and Rangers songs are all fine. Songs about Fenians, the Pope, Catholics etc aren't.
Without the add ons to the likes of the sash and FF bastardising them.
 

Craig McColl

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It's laughable because we all know what songs we can and can't sing. The Sash, Derry's Walls, Rule Britannia and Rangers songs are all fine. Songs about Fenians, the Pope, Catholics etc aren't.
For someone that doesn't agree with most of my postings these last few days I actually think that we're in agreement broadly maybe I've just been wording my views wrong.
 

legalbeagle

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The board have failed because they didnt engage with the fans. Issuing statements and launching well meaning but futile campaigns doesnt work. Ask uefa if you dont know this already.

They need to do more a lot more. For a start they could tackle the constant attacks on the club and fans including the press, media, NBM and FARE. That would show the fans that they care. They could employ a researcher to gather evidence an# present this as proof of the bias, double standards and lies.

Finally, and more importantly, they could engage and liaise with fans at a meaningful level. Dont dictate. It doesnt work. Seek agreement and cooperation.
It isn’t a matter of negotiation, agreement, co-operation or compromise. It is black and white.
The fans either tow the line, cause massive further damage to the club or don’t come back to Ibrox.
 

frankfurterbear1

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The club were charged and found guilty and had to remove sections totalling no less than 3000 seats. BF1 was in the charges that we were found guilty on.

It’s not inevitable- we have an opportunity to sort this once and for all
The club once again say zip.
Do you know there are 24 languages spoken in Europe, did the club ask if FARE have representatives fluent in every language?

Because in Warsaw on Thursday night Warsaw were singing about Huns and also some of their polish songs make the Billy boys seem like a nursery rhymn.

Also did the club query how attacking Mbappe on a pitch where player safety was compromised gets £8,900 yes £8,900 for swinging a kick and a punch yet we lose £75k and labelled racist.

No matter what the club does they never get it, dignified silence personified, bollocks.

Let's see what Celtic will get for throwing missiles at Cluj players....will be their 15 summons, the force the coin was thrown could have taken eye out, club says nothing.

Take 3000 seats out the mortuary which is the club deck and range the uefa flag up there.

When we are at it, ask how investigation into the corruption re final of Europa being in Baku with Uefa.
 

Blue Goose

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We need to self police every week home and away. If sections of the support or indeed individual ST are engaged in this type of behaviour let's deal with it as a club. Utilise the new strategy the club is trying to implement. Maybe the club need to name and shame folk to deliver a clear message. Nonetheless, the board need to recognise that this is a societal issue. It's not just football. The UB have been the succulent lamb and handed over to UEFA on a plate. Wait till Sunday. There's NO WAY in the planet that folk won't be singing songs that have add ons. Whose fault will it be this time?
 

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