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Never used to be Rangers tho. Standards that slip rarely return. Should have been nipped in the bud with the Negri noshingThat’s football
Never used to be Rangers tho. Standards that slip rarely return. Should have been nipped in the bud with the Negri noshingThat’s football
I think in the case of Gio hes had time and while he deserved all the credit for the Europa run, hes fluffed his lines badly this season and the reactions to it dont inspire confidence.Exactly the same as Gerarrd then in Gerrard's first 11 months?
Gio though has exceeded Gerarrd's European performance by a massive distance but Gerrard got time and Gio doesn't?
Spot on about Ross Wilson and midfielderAlways find it funny when the fans and everyone else can see what the issue is but a manager can´t.
I really want Gio to succeed but looks like it´ll play out how it ended at Feyenoord.
Ross Wilson should go as well. Can´t for the life of me think why we didn´t bring in a creative midfielder.
The thread is about how long he gets not whether he should go right now.2 points behind in the league, just won 4-0 at the weekend and there's people wanting the manager sacked. Ffs.
Bielsa would be the dreamSpot on about Ross Wilson and midfielder
Who could we get to replace Gio ? if he leaves
Knutsen, Tedesco as well. Other strong candidates out there too. It’s a great market for head coaches right now…Bielsa would be the dream
You are correct. Looks like players have switch off. They cannot all be off form or past their peak or regressing to normal. Etc. like has been suggested.He effectively talks about the players not being good enough, Im not sure how that is meant to inspire anyone but he is the Manager and its his picks.
How can they back him?If we are still in a title race come the first week in January then the board need to back him. If we are out of a title race by that time he needs to go.
It was also the first time in our history that we had overturned a 2 nil away defeat in Europe.The USG away performance was horrendous. But as always with knock out ties, it’s a two legged affair. Gio has had 6 in Europe and has got through every single tie.
Wild speculation.How can they back him?
Well have less money in January than we had at the end of the summer window.
There is no grand plan in place....we are winging it.
That we are winging it?Wild speculation.
Exactly the same as Gerarrd then in Gerrard's first 11 months?
Gio though has exceeded Gerarrd's European performance by a massive distance but Gerrard got time and Gio doesn't?
That we are winging it?
You see a plan in what we are doing with this team?
So you were wrong to panic about the two venues you mention ..Easter Road would and should have been a victory but for the handling of the game by Collum....Tynecastle spoke for itself as in probably our best performance this season ...I should have added this at end of original post, don’t get me wrong nothing would please me more for Gio to turn it around and start dominating domestically but I just can’t see it, the past year he’s been in charge has in my eyes seen us going from dominating teams to now panicking about going to Easter road and tynecastle.
Comparing Gerrard and Gio's first 11 months as a like for like comparison is extremely stupid.
Comparing Gerrard and Gio's first 11 months as a like for like comparison is extremely stupid.
It is. But that didn't stop elements of FF calling for Gerrard's departure in March of that debut season. Those numbers increased twelve months later.
It illustrates that some cannot accept any kind of difficulties. Rather than continuity or allowing a manager to build a team, they would prefer a revolving door.
If Gio's achievements thus far do not justify being allowed more time, what does?
It's hard to discuss if you were genuinely wanting a manager sacked after 3 months.The Europa League run was incredibble but how long can he live off that? I wanted him gone after the Celtic scudding in February but the Europa Run bought him more time (rightly) but after letting the handbreak off the team after that Celtic defeat inn February to end the season well, he has reverted back to the cautious and turgid style we had when he came in last season.
Played him wide at PSV and it worked, I do agree though he needs to be Central or nothing.Played him wide in Belgium too, which was another disaster.
Agree and by the World Cup break we could be sitting top with two old firms at home. All will be forgottenHe gets the rest of this season and the screaming wifies of FF.com just have to stfu.
Always find it funny when the fans and everyone else can see what the issue is but a manager can´t.
I really want Gio to succeed but looks like it´ll play out how it ended at Feyenoord.
Ross Wilson should go as well. Can´t for the life of me think why we didn´t bring in a creative midfielder.
Do heavy defeats like this not harm our Co efficient, I take it it will have an effect and you'd think the Board would realise this. That mentality just to get there to make up the numbers is just not the Rangers I grew up with when we at least competed with the best,and well. I know money talks but you'd think they'd speculate to accumulate by freshening the squad and at least give us a chance.The board view qualifying for the CL group stages as mission accomplished. He won't be judged on results in said group. And given the 3 teams we are up against it would probably be unfair to do so.
He will be here for the rest of this season at a minimum. We handed them the title last year. If we can't win it again this year then his time should be up.
It's hard to discuss if you were genuinely wanting a manager sacked after 3 months.
Given the EL run ended in May and he followed it up with CL qualification in August, then it's not unreasonable to allow him time to build a team - and hopefully it will soon be without injuries to significant players.
As for "living off the EL" - that's part of an individual's CV. On what basis are you appointing a new manager if you're dismissing past achievements?
I suspect even if he fails to win the league this season he has enough in the bank with the board to be given another crack at it next season.I agree the EL Run bought him time, as I said in my initial post. But the doubts that are now coming to the fore again, were there last season as well but people forgot about it due to the EL Final Run (which is understandable).
Seville is gone now though and our bread and butter is the league. He simply has to win the league this season, no excuses (given what he inherited). The problem is domestically we are terrible to watch in most games and Celtic seem to have his number. He is not going to survive being Celtic's bitch and also serving up boring and turgid football.
He inherited a team that got pumped 3-1 by a shite Hibs team in a semi final who’d played well in a handful of games all season and was heading into the conference league. He didn’t take over at the end of the 55 season.Gerrard inherited a basket case. Anyone calling for him to be sacked in the first couple of seasons, when the forward strides we were making were clear to anyone with eyes is a lunatic.
Gio is a totally different story. He inherited the dominant team in Scotland, who just went a season unbeaten and 2 years without losing to Celtic, with a 4 point cushion in the league. He then proceeded to throw the league away and hasn't beaten Celtic in 90 mins in a year.
The Europa League run was incredibble but how long can he live off that? I wanted him gone after the Celtic scudding in February but the Europa Run bought him more time (rightly) but after letting the handbreak off the team after that Celtic defeat inn February to end the season well, he has reverted back to the cautious and turgid style we had when he came in last season.
He has been here a year now and we are going backwards if we are being honest. The stats will look ok, in terms of his win percentage etc but we can all see with our eyes that something isn't quite right with the team. I don't think he's a bad manager by any stretch, I just don't think he suits us and Scottish Football. He's far too cautious.
The fans will accept playing sh*te as long as we are winning but the way we are playing doesn't look sustainable in terms of winning the league.
We actually competed well against Napoli until the red card.Do heavy defeats like this not harm our Co efficient, I take it it will have an effect and you'd think the Board would realise this. That mentality just to get there to make up the numbers is just not the Rangers I grew up with when we at least competed with the best,and well. I know money talks but you'd think they'd speculate to accumulate by freshening the squad and at least give us a chance.
Yeah, people were questioning Gerrard at points during the start to last season.He inherited a team that got pumped 3-1 by a shite Hibs team in a semi final who’d played well in a handful of games all season and was heading into the conference league. He didn’t take over at the end of the 55 season.
He inherited a team 4 points clear at the top of the leagueHe inherited a team that got pumped 3-1 by a shite Hibs team in a semi final who’d played well in a handful of games all season and was heading into the conference league. He didn’t take over at the end of the 55 season.
Gerrards first 11 months were with a significantly weaker squad, it’s not comparing like with like.Exactly the same as Gerarrd then in Gerrard's first 11 months?
Gio though has exceeded Gerarrd's European performance by a massive distance but Gerrard got time and Gio doesn't?
By sheer dumb luck. Celtic got cocky changing half a team at St Mirren.We are 2 points behind in the league
It can be spun either way. We were 4 clear but should have been 10 clear. Gerrards shambolic 3 draws at home to utter shite cost us.He inherited a team 4 points clear at the top of the league
Don’t think it’s luck that’s given us 19/21 in the non old firm. It could have been 21/21 if it had not been for the cheat Willie collum.By sheer dumb luck. Celtic got cocky changing half a team at St Mirren.
Performances are a good indicator of your ability to pick up results consistently. I’ve never seen a side win a league who don’t perform well.
Yeah it’s not Gio job to entertain, and you can pick up the odd scrappy win here and there, but performances lead to results, they’re not mutually exclusive long term.
He inherited a team 4 points clear at the top of the league
By sheer dumb luckBy sheer dumb luck. Celtic got cocky changing half a team at St Mirren.
Performances are a good indicator of your ability to pick up results consistently. I’ve never seen a side win a league who don’t perform well.
Yeah it’s not Gio job to entertain, and you can pick up the odd scrappy win here and there, but performances lead to results, they’re not mutually exclusive long term.
I'd take Gerrard over Gio every day of the week remember we ended up 6 points ahead and blew it Gerrard owned them they own us since he leftOnly because celtic were struggling to win a game early in the season.
We finished the season a far better and consistent side than the Gerrard side of last season.
Let's not rewrite history.
I'd take Gerrard over Gio every day of the week remember we ended up 6 points ahead and blew it Gerrard owned them they own us since he left
Fair enough I hope you are right and I end up looking daft at the end of the seasonEntitled to your opinion mate.
I don’t agree.
It was Lawrence that played the wide role against psv away. Tillman was behind colak as a no10.Played him wide at PSV and it worked, I do agree though he needs to be Central or nothing.
With injuries to Hagi, Lowry and Lawrence it means every home league game against fodder we should be going with Lundstram, Arfield, Tillman AND a forward 3
Unfortunately you are right and he is wrong.Fair enough I hope you are right and I end up looking daft at the end of the season
That part of our history is gone unless Michael Beale comes back as manager one dayUnfortunately you are right and he is wrong.
I’d take Gerrard and his back room team back in a heart beat but he won’t come
I agree, not for one minute am I happy with the performances and GVB’s tactics but I don’t see him getting the sack anytime soon.I’d tend to say you can’t judge a manager with anything less than a full season (as opposed to a calendar year). A season is a marathon, not a sprint and being Rangers we compete on 4 fronts over the course of that season. There will be 2 or 3 transfer windows in there and cup finals. The measure of success is of course the silverware we collect.
Gio will of course bear the brunt of failure but I’m not 100% convinced he’s to blame. Of course poor tactics and that in a match are his fault and he should be held to account for that.
Here’s the but, I don’t think Pep or anyother manager would do much better with the current squad results wise. I’m sure performances would be better.
In my opinion, Ross Wilson isn’t facing the tough questions IMO. Of course he gets stuck in here but I’ve yet to see him being questioned in the media. I think the lack of Dutch flair is down to him and not the 3 Dutch chaps. Previous managers like, Smith, Advocaat and Eck identified the players they wanted and needed. They then made a case for them to Murray and he’d then authorise the signing or veto it. Since Wilson has arrived I’m not so sure SG and Gio have had as much say in players as their predecessors.
We’re 2 points down to a poor decision by a ref. We’re a CL team but in all honesty we’re a long way from being a side that compete at that level. So losing to a team who has guys on £100k+ per week is not too upsetting nor is it a shock.
If we have poor cup runs and further behind in the league he will be punted at the end of the season. It would take a cataclysmic capitulation to see Gio gone before then.
Correct. Love him or loathe him he is here to stayI agree, not for one minute am I happy with the performances and GVB’s tactics but I don’t see him getting the sack anytime soon.
Agree apart from Dortmund away game where we were fantasticIt was still an utter muck performance against a muck team which he never learned from. The two in midfield drastically failed against them so why did he expect it to work against Liverpool?
As I've said before, the fans played a bigger role than anything in getting us through those ties. Not saying he shouldn't get credit for it, but I also don't think it's a coincidence that our performances at home are a different level compared to away.