What happened next?
think the club went to the procurator fiscal with it and it was the boys word against Neely and that was that ...... but Daly said there was no paper trail in the procurator fiscal office .........
What happened next?
That’s because McCafferty was Celtic’s kit man. Employed by the club, no boys club bullshite to hide behind! Note they don’t actually apologise for it happening when he was there, just that he had been doing it for years. It’s clearly the lawyers statement!No mention of a “separate entity” in this latest statement..
think the club went to the procurator fiscal with it and it was the boys word against Neely and that was that ...... but Daly said there was no paper trail in the procurator fiscal office .........
He was at Falkirk when he did that.Did McCafferty work with Hughes at both Hvs and Falkirk ?
Also was McCafferty the mentally challenged kit man when Hughes played at Parkpaed?
Not sure of the timescales
Hughes needs a chap and questioned given McCaffertys comments at the trial
I still remember Hughes running round a football pitch naked when a film crew and he was in the pictures
Defo needs a police interview to see what McCafferty is alleging
I’m no lover of the Catholic Church but Martin Luther was an idiot. He said doctors were fools for trying to treat diseases as if they were caused by tiny organisms called ‘germs’.
"Martin Luther was an idiot"
Sweet Jesus.
Sound like a Crash Barrier with that attitude.
Page 13, page 25. Yet our tax case was front page nearly every day
That's a different Yogi HughesDuring a Mo Johnston interview he streaked
Did McCafferty work with Hughes at both Hvs and Falkirk ?
Also was McCafferty the mentally challenged kit man when Hughes played at Parkpaed?
Not sure of the timescales
Hughes needs a chap and questioned given McCaffertys comments at the trial
I still remember Hughes running round a football pitch naked when a film crew and he was in the pictures
Defo needs a police interview to see what McCafferty is alleging
Well he was. He thought diseases were caused by spirits and demons. It doesn’t mean he was wrong to go up against the corrupt criminal catholic church.
This may be pushed as a "Scottish football problem" with the SFA and SPFL clubs having all to pay in to a victims fund with extra money from the Scottish Government.
Eh? What's your point here mate?I’m no lover of the Catholic Church but Martin Luther was an idiot. He said doctors were fools for trying to treat diseases as if they were caused by tiny organisms called ‘germs’.
Eh? What's your point here mate?
I would hazard a guess during the 16th century with medicine being in it's infancy that the connection between hygiene and treatment of germs and disease many would have thought similar to Luther.
Re those pages, B_T... who's words are they?
Agree mate, Luther was like everyone of his time in that what they believed to be fact to them,we all know differently today with the advances of science and medicine.Many? More like everyone(well, maybe not the spirits & demons) apart from maybe a couple of individuals who had some belief about contagion causing disease but no actual evidence or proof. All that came around 300 years later.
It would be like someone in the distant future calling, say, Stephen Fry an idiot because his knowledge of science had been superseded by advances in scientific learning after his death.
If being wrong about science or medicine means your an idiot Aristotle must be the biggest idiot in history. The guy was wrong about almost everything in medicine & biology but it's obvious Aristotle had a brain the size of a basketball.
Edit: ignore post im going off-topic.
Even the mentally challengeds’ lickspittle clubs would baulk at that surely.
If the victims rights are rejected by the celtc perpetrators, the SFA and Scotland’s tin pot government their lawyers should appeal to Westminster or an international court of human rights. No hiding place should be available to them,
This may be pushed as a "Scottish football problem" with the SFA and SPFL clubs having all to pay in to a victims fund with extra money from the Scottish Government.
Eh? no!
This is about a long-standing denial from one club who knowingly employed a group of evil paedophiles, they, the media and the SFA, have done their level best to keep it from being uncovered as long as they can.
The statement Celtic FC issued in Celtic View
Here is the statement Celtic FC issued in its own newspaper, the Celtic View, in December 1986, in response to claims in our sister paper the Sunday Mail.
The statement was reproduced the following month in the Celtic Boys’ Club magazine.
“A Sunday newspaper recently carried a story which cast a shadow over the Celtic Boys’ Club in general, and some of the leaders in particular.
“It also included a clear inference that the Celtic Football Club had not taken appropriate action with regard to the allegations contained in the article.
“In actual fact, the Celtic Board investigated the rumours and interviewed the men concerned in depth and could find nothing to substantiate the stories that were being circulated.
“During the course of the last 10 days, Celtic Football Club and the boys’ club have been in receipt of hundreds of letters and phone calls from boys and their parents, past and present, stating their complete support and backing of all involved with the boys’ club.
“It must be clearly emphasised that apart from this newspaper article, inspired by the former chairman of the boys’ club, not one single complaint has been received by any other person with a Celtic connection.
“The boys’ club leaders who have been placed under a cloud as a result of these rumours have instructed their lawyers to take the appropriate course of action and, if necessary, to go to a court of law to make sure these scurrilous stories are buried once and for all.”
I'm sure that is from Andy Ritchies bookWho wrote this?
To understand this fully for those who struggle.
Here is the case law Same applies. Demi-Employees.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-21612701
A woman who claims she was sexually abused by a priest is set to sue the Roman Catholic Church after it was refused a last chance to reverse a ruling holding it responsible.
The church argued it could not be held liable as no formal employment relationship with its clergy existed.
It lost a High Court case in 2011 and has now been refused permission to take the appeal to the Supreme Court.
The woman said she was abused a priest of the Portsmouth Diocese.
Lawyers for the claimant, who is set to pursue a civil case, said it was the first time a court had been asked to rule on whether the "relationship between a Catholic priest and his bishop is akin to an employment relationship".
They believe it could become a test case for further claims.
'Naturally delighted'
In 2011, the High Court ruled the church could be held liable for the wrongdoings of its priests.
Mr Justice Macduff decided the professional relationship between a priest and his bishop was sufficiently close so as to impose responsibility.
The Court of Appeal upheld the ruling last year and the Supreme Court has now refused permission for a further appeal because "the application does not raise an arguable point of law of general public importance".
Tracey Emmott, the woman's lawyer, said: "She is naturally delighted. She has been through nearly five years of torment since first notifying the Portsmouth Diocese of her abuse.
"The behaviour of the church in this case has only further tarnished its reputation."
The woman claims she was repeatedly sexually abused and raped by Father William Baldwin, from the age of six at a children's home run by nuns near Portsmouth in the 1970s.
Father Baldwin died in 2006.
Rev Stephen Morgan, from the Catholic Diocese of Portsmouth, said: "We are obviously disappointed at the decision of the Supreme Court not to hear our appeal, however we have to accept it.
"The actual matter of the allegations have yet to be tested in court."
I'm beginning to think that this may not be purely about avoiding paying compensation to the victims. I think the bigger picture is that they want to limit reputational damage and protect the names of many prominent officials who have been an integral part of the club for many years and who deliberately failed to protect children in their youth system to prevent reputational damage to the “Club like no other.”
The depths, or heights to which this absolute scandal could go are difficult to estimate.
We know for a fact that this was an open secret, it has been well documented.
So who did know, what was the extent of their understanding and when did they know? How many people in positions of power within Ceptic and the SFA heard reports from youngsters, of them being abused by paedophiles within Ceptic's youth system, and did not report it to the Police?
Lou Macari knew, he said so in his autobiography.
Tommy Burns knew.
Johnny Doyle knew.
Following Cairney’s abuse of the young boy in America, the 4 coaches (Jim McNally, Bill Gilfillan, John Gallacher and Willie Hampson) who had the meeting in the Boston Airport cafe knew. Jack McGinn then arranged for the boy to be signed for Ceptic and arranged a meeting at which he accepted Cairney’s resignation so he knew.
Jock Stein knew as he sacked Torbett.
These are the individuals who I know knew but there must be many many more, just as there will be many more victims who cannot face coming forward.
As a result of this not being reported, how many children continued to be abused and how many were subsequently abused who could have been spared those horrors had the people involved reported it to the Police rather than trying to hush it up and protect the "good" name of Ceptic rather than protect the children?
Who knew what, when and refused to advise the authorities has to be established. They should all be held accountable for their negligence. This can only happen if a full, open and independent public enquiry takes place. It would beggar belief that a public enquiry would not be held to establish how the biggest paedophile ring and subsequently the biggest cover up of it’s existence in the history of Scottish Football could happen. Lessons have to be learned and that can only happen after a full and open investigation takes place.
Correct @Valley Bluenose@boabsuncle had made a bit of an arse of it there. It’s clear that McCafferty was talking about the 1990s John Hughes.
I'm beginning to think that this may not be purely about avoiding paying compensation to the victims. I think the bigger picture is that they want to limit reputational damage and protect the names of many prominent officials who have been an integral part of the club for many years and who deliberately failed to protect children in their youth system to prevent reputational damage to the “Club like no other.”
The depths, or heights to which this absolute scandal could go are difficult to estimate.
We know for a fact that this was an open secret, it has been well documented.
So who did know, what was the extent of their understanding and when did they know? How many people in positions of power within Ceptic and the SFA heard reports from youngsters, of them being abused by paedophiles within Ceptic's youth system, and did not report it to the Police?
Lou Macari knew, he said so in his autobiography.
Tommy Burns knew.
Johnny Doyle knew.
Following Cairney’s abuse of the young boy in America, the 4 coaches (Jim McNally, Bill Gilfillan, John Gallacher and Willie Hampson) who had the meeting in the Boston Airport cafe knew. Jack McGinn then arranged for the boy to be signed for Ceptic and arranged a meeting at which he accepted Cairney’s resignation so he knew.
Jock Stein knew as he sacked Torbett.
These are the individuals who I know knew but there must be many many more, just as there will be many more victims who cannot face coming forward.
As a result of this not being reported, how many children continued to be abused and how many were subsequently abused who could have been spared those horrors had the people involved reported it to the Police rather than trying to hush it up and protect the "good" name of Ceptic rather than protect the children?
Who knew what, when and refused to advise the authorities has to be established. They should all be held accountable for their negligence. This can only happen if a full, open and independent public enquiry takes place. It would beggar belief that a public enquiry would not be held to establish how the biggest paedophile ring and subsequently the biggest cover up of it’s existence in the history of Scottish Football could happen. Lessons have to be learned and that can only happen after a full and open investigation takes place.
I'm beginning to think that this may not be purely about avoiding paying compensation to the victims. I think the bigger picture is that they want to limit reputational damage and protect the names of many prominent officials who have been an integral part of the club for many years and who deliberately failed to protect children in their youth system to prevent reputational damage to the “Club like no other.”
The depths, or heights to which this absolute scandal could go are difficult to estimate.
We know for a fact that this was an open secret, it has been well documented.
So who did know, what was the extent of their understanding and when did they know? How many people in positions of power within Ceptic and the SFA heard reports from youngsters, of them being abused by paedophiles within Ceptic's youth system, and did not report it to the Police?
Lou Macari knew, he said so in his autobiography.
Tommy Burns knew.
Johnny Doyle knew.
Following Cairney’s abuse of the young boy in America, the 4 coaches (Jim McNally, Bill Gilfillan, John Gallacher and Willie Hampson) who had the meeting in the Boston Airport cafe knew. Jack McGinn then arranged for the boy to be signed for Ceptic and arranged a meeting at which he accepted Cairney’s resignation so he knew.
Jock Stein knew as he sacked Torbett.
These are the individuals who I know knew but there must be many many more, just as there will be many more victims who cannot face coming forward.
As a result of this not being reported, how many children continued to be abused and how many were subsequently abused who could have been spared those horrors had the people involved reported it to the Police rather than trying to hush it up and protect the "good" name of Ceptic rather than protect the children?
Who knew what, when and refused to advise the authorities has to be established. They should all be held accountable for their negligence. This can only happen if a full, open and independent public enquiry takes place. It would beggar belief that a public enquiry would not be held to establish how the biggest paedophile ring and subsequently the biggest cover up of it’s existence in the history of Scottish Football could happen. Lessons have to be learned and that can only happen after a full and open investigation takes place.
The probability is that every coach and official of CBC over the years knew of the ‘open secret’. That means hundreds of people knew yet none of none of them thought that they should contact the police. An independent enquiry must be held.
I'm beginning to think that this may not be purely about avoiding paying compensation to the victims. I think the bigger picture is that they want to limit reputational damage and protect the names of many prominent officials who have been an integral part of the club for many years and who deliberately failed to protect children in their youth system to prevent reputational damage to the “Club like no other.”
The depths, or heights to which this absolute scandal could go are difficult to estimate.
We know for a fact that this was an open secret, it has been well documented.
So who did know, what was the extent of their understanding and when did they know? How many people in positions of power within Ceptic and the SFA heard reports from youngsters, of them being abused by paedophiles within Ceptic's youth system, and did not report it to the Police?
Lou Macari knew, he said so in his autobiography.
Tommy Burns knew.
Johnny Doyle knew.
Following Cairney’s abuse of the young boy in America, the 4 coaches (Jim McNally, Bill Gilfillan, John Gallacher and Willie Hampson) who had the meeting in the Boston Airport cafe knew. Jack McGinn then arranged for the boy to be signed for Ceptic and arranged a meeting at which he accepted Cairney’s resignation so he knew.
Jock Stein knew as he sacked Torbett.
These are the individuals who I know knew but there must be many many more, just as there will be many more victims who cannot face coming forward.
As a result of this not being reported, how many children continued to be abused and how many were subsequently abused who could have been spared those horrors had the people involved reported it to the Police rather than trying to hush it up and protect the "good" name of Ceptic rather than protect the children?
Who knew what, when and refused to advise the authorities has to be established. They should all be held accountable for their negligence. This can only happen if a full, open and independent public enquiry takes place. It would beggar belief that a public enquiry would not be held to establish how the biggest paedophile ring and subsequently the biggest cover up of it’s existence in the history of Scottish Football could happen. Lessons have to be learned and that can only happen after a full and open investigation takes place.
They certainly buried them but it's coming back to haunt them big time.Eh? no!
This is about a long-standing denial from one club who knowingly employed a group of evil paedophiles, they, the media and the SFA, have done their level best to keep it from being uncovered as long as they can.
The statement Celtic FC issued in Celtic View
Here is the statement Celtic FC issued in its own newspaper, the Celtic View, in December 1986, in response to claims in our sister paper the Sunday Mail.
The statement was reproduced the following month in the Celtic Boys’ Club magazine.
“A Sunday newspaper recently carried a story which cast a shadow over the Celtic Boys’ Club in general, and some of the leaders in particular.
“It also included a clear inference that the Celtic Football Club had not taken appropriate action with regard to the allegations contained in the article.
“In actual fact, the Celtic Board investigated the rumours and interviewed the men concerned in depth and could find nothing to substantiate the stories that were being circulated.
“During the course of the last 10 days, Celtic Football Club and the boys’ club have been in receipt of hundreds of letters and phone calls from boys and their parents, past and present, stating their complete support and backing of all involved with the boys’ club.
“It must be clearly emphasised that apart from this newspaper article, inspired by the former chairman of the boys’ club, not one single complaint has been received by any other person with a Celtic connection.
“The boys’ club leaders who have been placed under a cloud as a result of these rumours have instructed their lawyers to take the appropriate course of action and, if necessary, to go to a court of law to make sure these scurrilous stories are buried once and for all.”
You could always take the lead mate, I’m hopeless at letters ect so I wouldn’t know where to startGetting impatient for the threat to move to action,There still seems to be a lack of appetite and action to kick it on to another level.
You could always take the lead mate, I’m hopeless at letters ect so I wouldn’t know where to start
We have a problem there Tt my skills are way below what is required for job like that and the fact is I shouldn't need to,We have people in Scotland who are well qualified for this particular job and are playing dead dumb and blind about it.You could always take the lead mate, I’m hopeless at letters ect so I wouldn’t know where to start
Hope the guy I replied to realises this, the pressure will be well on especially if the lawyer is on a no win no fee deal as their wages depends on winning.The victims lawyers will be writing lettters as we speak.
Is McSherry, still alive, I know the guy Birt is no longer with us?
As you say there are many who should be doing something about it but a fans forum certainly isn’t the way to get justice as it would be seen as a point scoring exercise instead of many genuinely wanting justice within our society, if we can’t protect our children then society is well and truly fecked.We have a problem there Tt my skills are way below what is required for job like that and the fact is I shouldn't need to,We have people in Scotland who are well qualified for this particular job and are playing dead dumb and blind about it.
Maybe you can't. Maybe there will be some names involved that can't be revealed.How do we force the government into implementation of a full scale public enquiry?
The way dornan set up his sectarian group within holyrood.
How do we go about demanding this enquiry that gives them no room to manipulate the findings?