Celtic to be sued in the US over abuse(The Sun)

basil1

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Totally different ballgame in America and the main driver seems to be cash. Not sure if this would apply here but pretty sure they can choose which state they wish to file the complaint. Some states are easier to get a conviction plus the compensation payouts are bigger. This usually brings an appeal or two all of which means a massive amount of hidden information will hit the public domain
 

muttley

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The 'separate entity' line surely falls apart given that the Celtic Boys Club coaches called Celtic FC when the allegations about Cairney were made, then Jack McGinn dealt with his resignation when they returned.
Torbett asked and received permission from Celtc to use their name. There was no other Celtc Boys Club. As for the USA, if crimes were committed over there, the victims need to contact the US authorities. I don't know, however, if there are time limitations.
 
How does jurisdiction work in cases like this in a criminal sense? I would expect a British person going abroad and murdering another British person, for example, to be dealt with under the laws of the country they are in. Are we looking at purely civil actions here or could there be a chance of criminal prosecutions, including corporate charges?
 

Ruben Sosa

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The 'separate entity' line surely falls apart given that the Celtic Boys Club coaches called Celtic FC when the allegations about Cairney were made, then Jack McGinn dealt with his resignation when they returned.
Yep, it would appear Celtic sacked him (made him resign).

They are shameless.
 
There is the link to Celtic FC right there.

No contract could be offered without them being complicit
It was first team manager Liam Brady, the first team kit man John Kelman and the board of Celtic FC that facilitated it and made this situation go away. The Celtic FC board, Celtic 1st team manager manager Liam Brady and the boy's parents agreed the cover up and that the police would not be informed

If this flies, they are bang to rights. The sham that is 'separate entity' is a busted flush anyway after Cairney's trial.
 
If and I say if this comes about the Separate entity are f.ucked . Again the proof is there for everyone to see the fake concern for the victims but their first thought was to contact Celtic f.c. why if the boys club had nothing to do with them as they shamelessly claim now, was it for the good name (don't laugh) of Celtic to be kept out of it at all and any costs or the threat of the American police being involved and nothing to do with the boys being taken into protective custody,so home they come and the chairman of Celtic States that the Perpetrator is leaving as he has been promoted allowed to leave and continue his vile activities. No phone call to the police, no disclosure to anyone about a Paedophile in their midst, so it wasn't only Jock who didn't know how to operate a phone at Celtic park but everyone involved with them from top to bottom.
How many children's lives have been ruined at the hands of this club, thousands probably when you take into account the time span and the amount of paedophiles that we know about just now, how many others were involved will only be discovered if their is an independent inquiry into this, no one involved in Scottish football, government, or religious bodies could be trusted to carry this out as can be seen from their complicit silence so far.
Is it possible that other football coaches out with Scotland were involved in the abuse on their fictitious tours in Europe and elsewhere, were the Police and Politicians in this country unaware of what was happening at that club I doubt it very much, were members of the Roman Catholic church unaware, I think we know the answer to that one as it looks like Celtic have adopted their modus operandi , move the abusers on tell no one allowing them to inflict their crimes against children to continue for years.
If it wasn't for the bravery of their victims to come forward would this have continued to this day in all probability yes it would have.
As for our friends at the BBC who have the same sordid history of sweeping this type of crime under the carpet until the main offender had died and like them they all knew about him and done nothing, maybe the person or persons who investigated Saville could be the ones to investigate Celtic and you never know who might crop up, be it politicians, priests or tv celebrities.
Kick them Out not for the sake of point scoring but for justice to the children who's lives they have ruined and their crass refusal to acknowledge them.
 
The deeply saddening irony in all of this is that their club covered up child abuse in order to save the 'good name' of their club while the best course of action for that to happen would have been to deal with it properly at the time. It is like lying to your wife, then lying to cover up that lie; one day, something will come out and an avalanche will develop from it.
 

Arminius

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Americans don’t phuck about with paedophile cases. Compensation in US courts run into $ tens of millions in punitive damages, to deter others who might be tempted to indulge in paedo activities and cover them up.

I genuinely hope that’s the poor lads who have suffered all these years do finally get the apology they are due from Celtic FC and the proper compensation for the years of lost earnings and suffering they’ve had to endure.
 
I don’t really care whether it’s celtic or Asda ,all I would like to see is absolute recognition and justice for survivors,it’s horrific and as unpalatable as it gets,justice has to run its course .
For me justice is still miles away from being done, the child abusers have started to be convicted but the enablers and people who covered up are still getting off scot free. I appreciate many of them may be dead now but people in high places covered this up. Hence the whole Hugh Birt getting black balled at Celtc thing and many other incidents
 

Fox & Hounds

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Good. This will show up our judiciary system, cover ups and destroy the SNP. The party is over. They will be a amature team in a few years. Oh dear. Watch the American NB spornsor run, then the manager then the Jap. Shame really. I hope they DIE.
 

Hateleysheid

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Wee Fergus would have foreseen all this happening with his knowledge of the suing culture in America/Canada. Probably why he changed their name from the Celic and athletic coy or whatever the fuk it was. They'll be claiming they were a separate entity next, wait and see.
The old company is still part of the Plc group and it says so in their annual returns so they can in no way deny that the old Ltd company is linked to the plc.
 

bpfurian

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Everyone who looked the other way is as guilty as the perpetrators of these vile crimes and should be charged and brought before the courts and the scum should be held accountable for the sordid cover-up of young boys in their care.
The Bheasts are inexplicably linked to the RC church who we all know carry huge influence over many aspects of life in Scotland, and no stone should be left unturned in bringing this unholy cabal to justice.
The free reign which this rancid cult have has spread it's poisonous tentacles far and wide in government and the media and need to be exposed and to be held accountable.
Hopefully sooner rather than later.
 

williewoodburn

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Everyone who looked the other way is as guilty as the perpetrators of these vile crimes and should be charged and brought before the courts and the scum should be held accountable for the sordid cover-up of young boys in their care.
The Bheasts are inexplicably linked to the RC church who we all know carry huge influence over many aspects of life in Scotland, and no stone should be left unturned in bringing this unholy cabal to justice.
The free reign which this rancid cult have has spread it's poisonous tentacles far and wide in government and the media and need to be exposed and to be held accountable.
Hopefully sooner rather than later.
'Inextricably linked'.....big difference ;)
 

EH47

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I’m not sure you can get child abuse insurance?
I don't think there's an insurance company on the planet the gives you cover for harbouring and facilitating child rape

You don't think, eh?

" (CNN) - Since the 1980s, the Catholic Church in the United States and its insurance companies have paid out more than $3.8 billion in lawsuits and claims involving allegations of clerical sexual abuse, according to a monitoring group... "

https://www.click2houston.com/news/...se-allegations-in-catholic-church-since-1980s

" If the Catholic church is sued, secret files and private documents could be made public. And insurance companies, which have already paid millions in private settlements, might have to pay much more for the church’s liability as new cases are brought forth. "

https://eu.ydr.com/story/news/2018/...reform-statute-limitations-priest/1742969002/

… and to be honest, it's not just the papists...

" The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members. "

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2007/06/18/80877.htm

Reading the above, and knowing the very close association between celtc FC and the catholic church, you would be extremely naïve to continue to believe that the former has not sought out advice from the latter on how to handle the tsunami of claims that are about to befall them.

Make no mistake, these claims are coming, and will have to be paid out, so do you seriously think that horrible club intends to pay out from their own funds? The same funds that service their loans, pay for the upkeep of their stadium and training complex, pay their wage bill, and finance new signings? In a nutshell, the very same funds that keeps them in business?
Such an eventuality could quite probably crucify them to an irreparable extent.
It's inconceivable that they haven't been considering the worst case scenario, and I for one would bet that if they didn't already have the relevant insurance, when they heard the first rumblings heralding these recent court cases there would have been a high level summit of the very top papes in Scotland (and possibly beyond) to consider all that could be done to preserve as far as possible "the good name" of their club and minimize any continuing damage to their brand.

Trust me, I desperately hope that they have not taken these precautions, because it would financially fucking kill them in all probability, but there's no way I see them not learning from past experiences.
 

Wilkinsvolley

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You don't think, eh?

" (CNN) - Since the 1980s, the Catholic Church in the United States and its insurance companies have paid out more than $3.8 billion in lawsuits and claims involving allegations of clerical sexual abuse, according to a monitoring group... "

https://www.click2houston.com/news/...se-allegations-in-catholic-church-since-1980s

" If the Catholic church is sued, secret files and private documents could be made public. And insurance companies, which have already paid millions in private settlements, might have to pay much more for the church’s liability as new cases are brought forth. "

https://eu.ydr.com/story/news/2018/...reform-statute-limitations-priest/1742969002/

… and to be honest, it's not just the papists...

" The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members. "

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2007/06/18/80877.htm

Reading the above, and knowing the very close association between celtc FC and the catholic church, you would be extremely naïve to continue to believe that the former has not sought out advice from the latter on how to handle the tsunami of claims that are about to befall them.

Make no mistake, these claims are coming, and will have to be paid out, so do you seriously think that horrible club intends to pay out from their own funds? The same funds that service their loans, pay for the upkeep of their stadium and training complex, pay their wage bill, and finance new signings? In a nutshell, the very same funds that keeps them in business?
Such an eventuality could quite probably crucify them to an irreparable extent.
It's inconceivable that they haven't been considering the worst case scenario, and I for one would bet that if they didn't already have the relevant insurance, when they heard the first rumblings heralding these recent court cases there would have been a high level summit of the very top papes in Scotland (and possibly beyond) to consider all that could be done to preserve as far as possible "the good name" of their club and minimize any continuing damage to their brand.

Trust me, I desperately hope that they have not taken these precautions, because it would financially fucking kill them in all probability, but there's no way I see them not learning from past experiences.
I’m surprised at that. It wouldn’t surprise me if they did have it if they could get it.
 

BentleyBear

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The parents of this boy who accepted the hush money from the beggars are deranged.You would surely want to kick the shit out of the monster who abused their boy and then start on the sick bastards offering the deal
Maybe another reason that some of these stories won't face the light of day, how do the public view parents who come forward now for compensation having known and "accepted" it in the past, so their child could go on to have a football career? On another note, how do these children, now adults, view those same mentioned parents? Unforunately, the "justice" of getting the Club to take responsibility for these crimes against them is likely to be outweighed by the damage it would bring to their own families, hence we'll never know how many kids were and are still affected by Seperate entity FC.
 

govwalker

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There isn't a Brush BIG enough or rug wide enough to cover up all the sweep sweep sweeping by this shower of disgusting b@stards at that sordid club. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Hope the Septic Tank Lawyers take this the whole fcking way and bury these shameful c*nts.
 

EH47

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It’s not something I’d think you could get insured for but it’s maybe all in liability insurance under being sued by the public?
Well, I'm guessing you don't exactly stroll into an insurance broker's office, slam your hand on the desk and say, "Right sunshine, I'd like to buy a child abuse policy".
I'm guessing there's a ton of legalese that largely dances around the actual nitty gritty and talks in general terms about claims against the conduct of the staff, blah, blah, blah.
There was a case (maybe still ongoing?) in Dublin whereby a diocese was in dispute with it's insurers as the insurers were refusing to pay out on a number of abuse cases, claiming the church knew of the claims prior to taking out the policy.
I'd imagine the bheasts at the Knew Camp would therefore be hoping to prove that they never knew of any impending claims, if indeed they do have such insurance, when the compensation payment claims start to flood in.
 

Jaws2

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Honestly mate I couldn't give a flying one for their honours past and more recent.
Let them keep them along with their sequence of tainted titles.....give them a hundred of them.

What's important is the poor victims get justice and proper closure on this.
Yeah I've always doubted anything will happen to them in football terms - except of course they'll always be tarnished by their actions or inactions depending on what aspect we're talking about.

They'll almost certainly be punished financially and that could be catastrophic depending on whether the Americans get involved.
 

DMac786

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Some compensation examples taken from a UK based legal site:

Severe psychiatric damage £41,675 - £88,000
Marked problems with regards to the persons ability to cope with work and their life, their relationships with friends, family, and others, as well as issues with the success of treatment. Claims relating to physical and sexual abuse tend to include significant psychological or psychiatric damage.

Moderately severe psychiatric damage £14,500 - £41,675
Similar to the above, although the prognosis will be more optimistic.

Loss of anticipated earnings £10,000 - £400,000 This is calculated based on future prospects, as well as current pay grade. There is the potential for a maximum higher payout based upon cases with higher future earning potential.

Pain and suffering £1,000 - £200,000 Maximum payout driven by the level of suffering and pain that has been experienced.


Source - https://www.legalexpert.co.uk/how-to-claim/child-abuse-claims/
 
Well, I'm guessing you don't exactly stroll into an insurance broker's office, slam your hand on the desk and say, "Right sunshine, I'd like to buy a child abuse policy".
I'm guessing there's a ton of legalese that largely dances around the actual nitty gritty and talks in general terms about claims against the conduct of the staff, blah, blah, blah.
There was a case (maybe still ongoing?) in Dublin whereby a diocese was in dispute with it's insurers as the insurers were refusing to pay out on a number of abuse cases, claiming the church knew of the claims prior to taking out the policy.
I'd imagine the bheasts at the Knew Camp would therefore be hoping to prove that they never knew of any impending claims, if indeed they do have such insurance, when the compensation payment claims start to flood in.
Surely the insurers could get out of this unless the scum have declared the potential risks ? Ie You never told us this information when you initiated the insurance mate ?
 

kingstonbear

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Surely the insurers could get out of this unless the scum have declared the potential risks ? Ie You never told us this information when you initiated the insurance mate ?

What do you mean? (Sarcasm)

Maybe something along the lines of welcoming a convicted paedo back into the exact role he was in previously and him reoffending? I’d hat to see the premium on an insurance policy that would cover that type of behaviour.
 
What do you mean? (Sarcasm)

Maybe something along the lines of welcoming a convicted paedo back into the exact role he was in previously and him reoffending? I’d hat to see the premium on an insurance policy that would cover that type of behaviour.
Yes, that’s all I’m saying KB.

As you know, insurers use every option to avoid payouts, so surely that mob wouldn’t have declared to them that they had paedos in their club abusing children ?

I’ll be amazed if they get their insurers to pay for any of this. Agree ?
 
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