Celtic to be sued in the US over abuse(The Sun)

EH47

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It’s not something I’d think you could get insured for but it’s maybe all in liability insurance under being sued by the public?
Well, I'm guessing you don't exactly stroll into an insurance broker's office, slam your hand on the desk and say, "Right sunshine, I'd like to buy a child abuse policy".
I'm guessing there's a ton of legalese that largely dances around the actual nitty gritty and talks in general terms about claims against the conduct of the staff, blah, blah, blah.
There was a case (maybe still ongoing?) in Dublin whereby a diocese was in dispute with it's insurers as the insurers were refusing to pay out on a number of abuse cases, claiming the church knew of the claims prior to taking out the policy.
I'd imagine the bheasts at the Knew Camp would therefore be hoping to prove that they never knew of any impending claims, if indeed they do have such insurance, when the compensation payment claims start to flood in.
 

Jaws2

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Honestly mate I couldn't give a flying one for their honours past and more recent.
Let them keep them along with their sequence of tainted titles.....give them a hundred of them.

What's important is the poor victims get justice and proper closure on this.
Yeah I've always doubted anything will happen to them in football terms - except of course they'll always be tarnished by their actions or inactions depending on what aspect we're talking about.

They'll almost certainly be punished financially and that could be catastrophic depending on whether the Americans get involved.
 

eyalluvitt

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If their was a crime committed in the States, then (i presume) a prosecution could take place. After establishing guilt, civil law suits suing the corporate body (cfc) could be attempted. I'm not a lawyer, but I presume that is the procedure.
Ironic if the case was heard in Tampa.
 

DMac786

Active Member
Some compensation examples taken from a UK based legal site:

Severe psychiatric damage £41,675 - £88,000
Marked problems with regards to the persons ability to cope with work and their life, their relationships with friends, family, and others, as well as issues with the success of treatment. Claims relating to physical and sexual abuse tend to include significant psychological or psychiatric damage.

Moderately severe psychiatric damage £14,500 - £41,675
Similar to the above, although the prognosis will be more optimistic.

Loss of anticipated earnings £10,000 - £400,000 This is calculated based on future prospects, as well as current pay grade. There is the potential for a maximum higher payout based upon cases with higher future earning potential.

Pain and suffering £1,000 - £200,000 Maximum payout driven by the level of suffering and pain that has been experienced.


Source - https://www.legalexpert.co.uk/how-to-claim/child-abuse-claims/
 

Grigo Yossarian

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Well, I'm guessing you don't exactly stroll into an insurance broker's office, slam your hand on the desk and say, "Right sunshine, I'd like to buy a child abuse policy".
I'm guessing there's a ton of legalese that largely dances around the actual nitty gritty and talks in general terms about claims against the conduct of the staff, blah, blah, blah.
There was a case (maybe still ongoing?) in Dublin whereby a diocese was in dispute with it's insurers as the insurers were refusing to pay out on a number of abuse cases, claiming the church knew of the claims prior to taking out the policy.
I'd imagine the bheasts at the Knew Camp would therefore be hoping to prove that they never knew of any impending claims, if indeed they do have such insurance, when the compensation payment claims start to flood in.
Surely the insurers could get out of this unless the scum have declared the potential risks ? Ie You never told us this information when you initiated the insurance mate ?
 

kingstonbear

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Surely the insurers could get out of this unless the scum have declared the potential risks ? Ie You never told us this information when you initiated the insurance mate ?

What do you mean? (Sarcasm)

Maybe something along the lines of welcoming a convicted paedo back into the exact role he was in previously and him reoffending? I’d hat to see the premium on an insurance policy that would cover that type of behaviour.
 

Grigo Yossarian

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What do you mean? (Sarcasm)

Maybe something along the lines of welcoming a convicted paedo back into the exact role he was in previously and him reoffending? I’d hat to see the premium on an insurance policy that would cover that type of behaviour.
Yes, that’s all I’m saying KB.

As you know, insurers use every option to avoid payouts, so surely that mob wouldn’t have declared to them that they had paedos in their club abusing children ?

I’ll be amazed if they get their insurers to pay for any of this. Agree ?
 

George Goudie

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Official Ticketer
Americans don’t phuck about with paedophile cases. Compensation in US courts run into $ tens of millions in punitive damages, to deter others who might be tempted to indulge in paedo activities and cover them up.

I genuinely hope that’s the poor lads who have suffered all these years do finally get the apology they are due from Celtic FC and the proper compensation for the years of lost earnings and suffering they’ve had to endure.
I'll bump a thread I posted on the liability costs for Penn state. ;) Horrific.
 

George Goudie

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Official Ticketer
Yes, that’s all I’m saying KB.

As you know, insurers use every option to avoid payouts, so surely that mob wouldn’t have declared to them that they had paedos in their club abusing children ?

I’ll be amazed if they get their insurers to pay for any of this.

Would thatAgree ?
Surely that policy would only be applicable for the period insured? Usually annually for Public Liability insurance.

Would that not mean that celtc would have had to have had the policies in force concurrent with the period the abuse took place?

Surely there is no policy that will indemnify "historic" claims of abuse.... that's the entire history of the club. That premium would be millions surely.
 

Beer Belly Loyal

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Anyone remember some English guy on a video clip (STV I think) who claimed as young boys they were invited to play in tournaments all over the UK and one that they were invited to was the "Celtic cup" in Scotland. During the interview he said he was sure there was something going on with the coaches regarding the boys.
 

Stez64

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You don't think, eh?

" (CNN) - Since the 1980s, the Catholic Church in the United States and its insurance companies have paid out more than $3.8 billion in lawsuits and claims involving allegations of clerical sexual abuse, according to a monitoring group... "

https://www.click2houston.com/news/national/38-billion-paid-over-sex-abuse-allegations-in-catholic-church-since-1980s

" If the Catholic church is sued, secret files and private documents could be made public. And insurance companies, which have already paid millions in private settlements, might have to pay much more for the church’s liability as new cases are brought forth. "

https://eu.ydr.com/story/news/2018/10/25/insurance-lobbyists-catholic-church-block-pa-child-sex-abuse-reform-statute-limitations-priest/1742969002/

… and to be honest, it's not just the papists...

" The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members. "

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2007/06/18/80877.htm

Reading the above, and knowing the very close association between celtc FC and the catholic church, you would be extremely naïve to continue to believe that the former has not sought out advice from the latter on how to handle the tsunami of claims that are about to befall them.

Make no mistake, these claims are coming, and will have to be paid out, so do you seriously think that horrible club intends to pay out from their own funds? The same funds that service their loans, pay for the upkeep of their stadium and training complex, pay their wage bill, and finance new signings? In a nutshell, the very same funds that keeps them in business?
Such an eventuality could quite probably crucify them to an irreparable extent.
It's inconceivable that they haven't been considering the worst case scenario, and I for one would bet that if they didn't already have the relevant insurance, when they heard the first rumblings heralding these recent court cases there would have been a high level summit of the very top papes in Scotland (and possibly beyond) to consider all that could be done to preserve as far as possible "the good name" of their club and minimize any continuing damage to their brand.

Trust me, I desperately hope that they have not taken these precautions, because it would financially fucking kill them in all probability, but there's no way I see them not learning from past experiences.
Well, I never !
I stand corrected .
 

williewoodburn

Well-Known Member
You don't think, eh?

" (CNN) - Since the 1980s, the Catholic Church in the United States and its insurance companies have paid out more than $3.8 billion in lawsuits and claims involving allegations of clerical sexual abuse, according to a monitoring group... "

https://www.click2houston.com/news/national/38-billion-paid-over-sex-abuse-allegations-in-catholic-church-since-1980s

" If the Catholic church is sued, secret files and private documents could be made public. And insurance companies, which have already paid millions in private settlements, might have to pay much more for the church’s liability as new cases are brought forth. "

https://eu.ydr.com/story/news/2018/10/25/insurance-lobbyists-catholic-church-block-pa-child-sex-abuse-reform-statute-limitations-priest/1742969002/

… and to be honest, it's not just the papists...

" The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members. "

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2007/06/18/80877.htm

Reading the above, and knowing the very close association between celtc FC and the catholic church, you would be extremely naïve to continue to believe that the former has not sought out advice from the latter on how to handle the tsunami of claims that are about to befall them.

Make no mistake, these claims are coming, and will have to be paid out, so do you seriously think that horrible club intends to pay out from their own funds? The same funds that service their loans, pay for the upkeep of their stadium and training complex, pay their wage bill, and finance new signings? In a nutshell, the very same funds that keeps them in business?
Such an eventuality could quite probably crucify them to an irreparable extent.
It's inconceivable that they haven't been considering the worst case scenario, and I for one would bet that if they didn't already have the relevant insurance, when they heard the first rumblings heralding these recent court cases there would have been a high level summit of the very top papes in Scotland (and possibly beyond) to consider all that could be done to preserve as far as possible "the good name" of their club and minimize any continuing damage to their brand.

Trust me, I desperately hope that they have not taken these precautions, because it would financially fucking kill them in all probability, but there's no way I see them not learning from past experiences.
Serious question....would they get insurance for a 'pre-existing' condition ?
 

Grigo Yossarian

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Surely that policy would only be applicable for the period insured? Usually annually for Public Liability insurance.

Would that not mean that celtc would have had to have had the policies in force concurrent with the period the abuse took place?

Surely there is no policy that will indemnify "historic" claims of abuse.... that's the entire history of the club. That premium would be millions surely.
Agree George. In Employers Liability Insurance that’s how it works. And then any new insurers for future years will want to be aware of outstanding claims from history, and that can potentially impact on the new policy premiums.
I’d be surprised if any attempt by them to insure this would go any differently ?
 

Jay1873

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Anyone remember some English guy on a video clip (STV I think) who claimed as young boys they were invited to play in tournaments all over the UK and one that they were invited to was the "Celtic cup" in Scotland. During the interview he said he was sure there was something going on with the coaches regarding the boys.
Aye it was Andy Woodward the bloke who blew the case of Barry Bennell in England wide open
 

EH47

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Serious question....would they get insurance for a 'pre-existing' condition ?
As i already mentioned on a previous post above, there's a case where a diocese and their insurer are arguing whether the church knew of claims prior to the policy being taken out. All potential payouts were dependent on which came first.
I'd be staggered if that was the only such case.
 

Grigo Yossarian

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As i already mentioned on a previous post above, there's a case where a diocese and their insurer are arguing whether the church knew of claims prior to the policy being taken out. All potential payouts were dependent on which came first.
I'd be staggered if that was the only such case.
So following this through EH47, you think their insurers from the point of each of the abused children’s claims would be potentially liable ?
 

Delboy

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If the lid does eventually blow on this, the fallout could be massive for Celtic, especially moving forward.

What sort of sports company or sponsors would want to go near them?
Nobody in their right mind would touch them,even signing good players would prove difficult. They're name would be mud.
 

Jaymuz7

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Surely the insurers could get out of this unless the scum have declared the potential risks ? Ie You never told us this information when you initiated the insurance mate ?
Public liability is not going to cover compensation claims for child abuse. Any claims will would be payable from the filths coffers.
 

alex wright

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Sorry, yes. Getting Chris White & Kevin Kelly mixed up Alex.
Wasn’t there done story or rumour that they were taking kids to London on the overnight trains ?
Don't know Grigo. My old man was involved in amateur football around this time and there were certainly rumours and I can remember Chris White's name being mentioned but I'd be lying if I said what it was relating to.
 

Careca

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How deeply were the old board of directors of the Kelly’s (trophy centre ,)the McGinns (SFA chairman , lord provost of Glasgow,) and the Whyte’s involved protecting the good name of Celtic?
Did fergus McCann know the full extent when he changed the corporate structure (newco)
Have celtics current incarnation also ‘known,’ and obstructed and lobbied the SNP for this to go away quietly ?
 

williewoodburn

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As i already mentioned on a previous post above, there's a case where a diocese and their insurer are arguing whether the church knew of claims prior to the policy being taken out. All potential payouts were dependent on which came first.
I'd be staggered if that was the only such case.
In that reasonable case, they are fecked. Its little different to retrospectively taking out car insurance after you've wrecked it !
 

williewoodburn

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How deeply were the old board of directors of the Kelly’s (trophy centre ,)the McGinns (SFA chairman , lord provost of Glasgow,) and the Whyte’s involved protecting the good name of Celtic?
Did fergus McCann know the full extent when he changed the corporate structure (newco)
Have celtics current incarnation also ‘known,’ and obstructed and lobbied the SNP for this to go away quietly ?
Its maybe one of the reasons 'the Bunnet' was in and out as quick as a prick suffering from premature ejaculation.
 

Bazoo

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The rule changes in the last few years by the SFA Cabal - are there any of them that could trip up Single Entity FC in an unexpected consequences sort of way?
 
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