Did St Johnstone put us out the SC as well today.
Looks like it with some of the posts.
Looks like it with some of the posts.
People are saying we’ve made progress because we’ve beat Celtic but on current form we’ll end up further behind than we were last season and potentially worse off than Pedro/Murtys season
European runs have been great and progress has definitely been made in that area however it’s counter productive as it’s bought Gerrard a lot of leeway.
If we’re taking Europe out of the equation, would you still say we’re making progress? We’ve spent around £20m building this squad and it’s full of players who dont have what it takes
There is that train of thought or another one which is we have thrown more than we have at it and ended up with Kent and Helander for £10m without getting close to it.
The europa is hiding over cracks, we are sitting in February and out of the league race.
So tell me then what do you think Gerrard will do next season to win the league now hes blown it twice after the break so please tell me what will be different.So
So we sack Gerrard and expect the next man to win the league in his first season. Aye I can see that happening ffs
Lennon is sitting on 76 points right now.
Rodgers in his time here was 80, 64 and 66 after the same amount of games.
There's not that much of a drop off in levels of performance from Rodgers first season and it's miles better than his last 2.
If anything, the Tims are going for their opponents throat a helluva lot more under Lennon.
My sentiments exactlyIt’s obvious we’re not there yet but we’re getting there it’s taking a lot longer than we’d hoped but I’m in for the long hall the rest of yous and there’s a lot that have jumped on the bandwagon can feck right off
Either naive or arrogant.
We're still posting losses so the europa isn't covering that.If it wasn't for the europa we wouldn't be signing players for £10 million. The europa run in the last couple of years has raised our profile, gave us some memorial nights and helped our finances
So tell me then what do you think Gerrard will do next season to win the league now hes blown it twice after the break so please tell me what will be different.
Are you saying a more experienced manager wouldn't be able to handle it better and just for you ffs .
If we didn't get a run in Europe we would be in a worse placeWe're still posting losses so the europa isn't covering that.
We have still to pay Kent up.
Your second point is really important and lost on many.
FWIW, whilst individual errors are costing us, I genuinely believe the midfield three - whichever combination it is - has by and large failed to perform week in week out since December. That puts pressure on the defence and it also means the front three have no platform to play off of. Many won't agree with me, but I still feel we could do with an absolute monster in there to take no prisoners, destroy things coming at us and to release it forwards with no fuss. Pragmatism over style at times....
What are the KPI's? When are we allowed to be critical? How long is the plan?
You said it 2nd biggest budget and we're 2nd.Of course they’re the ones who started all this but we’re now in a position where we have by far the second biggest budget in the league.
There gets a point that a line has to be drawn and fans stop looking backwards.
2012 is not the reason that we’ve dropped 10 points since returning from the winter break. Our squad shouldn’t be capitulating in the manner that it is, so let’s look at the causes of that rather than citing 7/8 years ago as an excuse
we've won less than half the games against aberdeen hearts and kilmarnock collectively
wise the %^*& up
You said it 2nd biggest budget and we're 2nd.
ObviouslyIf we didn't get a run in Europe we would be in a worse place
I said a more experienced manager could stop 10 in a row for the mentally challengeds the word could.Don't know what Gerrard will do next season. Depends on what money he's got to spend. Do you think it's fair to bring a new man in and expect him to win the league in his first season? There is no quick fix.
3 wins is 9 points more but hey ho That’s the spirit. Keeping looking for any negatives. I’ll keep supporting my team as they move onwards and upwards. As I’m sure they will. Every club in the world has lean patches at some point. Unfortunately we are right in the middle of one when we least need it. The good times aren’t far away. That’s for sureNot sure three more wins in the league is really a measurable difference. More just circumstance going your way could explain that small a change. little luckier nothing more.
£10m plus increase in wage budget to be slightly better off is no return to sing about.
Obviously
But on the park it's all about the league and with the losses we're posting i just wonder how much we'll be spending in the summer. My concern is we've thrown the kitchen sink at it.
Obviously
But on the park it's all about the league and with the losses we're posting i just wonder how much we'll be spending in the summer. My concern is we've thrown the kitchen sink at it.
Thats the crux of it.Yeah King and the board have done what they said they would and we're grateful for it. What happens over the next few years is crucial. We're at a crossroad. We need to sort out retail out and find new investment. How we do that I don't know.
It's alright saying that but can you name him? We could still win the league this year. We could win the SC this season. We could win the europa this season.I said a more experienced manager could stop 10 in a row for the mentally challengeds the word could.
Very well said.It is very difficult to take,but,it was always a long term fix.It was never getting sorted in 2 years.Anyone who thought or believes that is fkng dillusional.The whole model from root to fruit is for a long term squad and supportive infrastructure that is sustainable when we return to the top. Quick fixes don’t work and we don’t have the finance to do it anyway.
It may take longer than we all want, but we can’t deny the improvement across the board, especially in a European competition we didn’t expect to even get out of qualification for.
We need to stop acting like spoilt weans demanding everything immediately and realise that one of the all time great leaders is at the helm. He’s bringing us back from what was a horrendous mess, to being able to beat the time on their own patch, get out of a very high calibre European group and give us a situation where we can even consider challenging for the league.
We should forget about stopping 9 or 10. Personally it means nothing to me as they know they’ve not been contested. I will take the current model every day of the week, as we are gradually making up the ground and when we go past them, we will have the strength and stability to keep them in their box for a long time.
we've won less than half the games against aberdeen hearts and kilmarnock collectively
wise the %^*& up
It don't see how getting shot of Gerrard can help us. I don't know what's happened to us but the players need to look at themselves.Thats the crux of it.
We're at another huge crossroads
We’re all thinking of the emotional/on-field issues today.The PLC posted losses of something like £11m
Then the club went out and bought Hellander and Kent for about the same again, which led to saying there would be a £10m shortfall this year.
There will need to be either more loans, a share issue or significant asset sales just to balance the books before spending more money.
Throwing the kitchen sink at it might not be way off the mark.
And people are talking about "sustainable growth".
The whole model from root to fruit is for a long term squad and supportive infrastructure that is sustainable when we return to the top. Quick fixes don’t work and we don’t have the finance to do it anyway.
It may take longer than we all want, but we can’t deny the improvement across the board, especially in a European competition we didn’t expect to even get out of qualification for.
We need to stop acting like spoilt weans demanding everything immediately and realise that one of the all time great leaders is at the helm. He’s bringing us back from what was a horrendous mess, to being able to beat the time on their own patch, get out of a very high calibre European group and give us a situation where we can even consider challenging for the league.
We should forget about stopping 9 or 10. Personally it means nothing to me as they know they’ve not been contested. I will take the current model every day of the week, as we are gradually making up the ground and when we go past them, we will have the strength and stability to keep them in their box for a long time.
It's alright saying that but can you name him? We could still win the league this year. We could win the SC this season. We could win the europa this season.
Why would I need to name them and do you honestly believe we can still win the league seriously. As for the Europa have you actually watched us play since we came back after the break.It's alright saying that but can you name him? We could still win the league this year. We could win the SC this season. We could win the europa this season.
Fairly small and biased sample you’ve used there - so your argument lacks any credibility. Try again son.
Outstanding post, for which I am fully in agreement.The whole model from root to fruit is for a long term squad and supportive infrastructure that is sustainable when we return to the top. Quick fixes don’t work and we don’t have the finance to do it anyway.
It may take longer than we all want, but we can’t deny the improvement across the board, especially in a European competition we didn’t expect to even get out of qualification for.
We need to stop acting like spoilt weans demanding everything immediately and realise that one of the all time great leaders is at the helm. He’s bringing us back from what was a horrendous mess, to being able to beat the time on their own patch, get out of a very high calibre European group and give us a situation where we can even consider challenging for the league.
We should forget about stopping 9 or 10. Personally it means nothing to me as they know they’ve not been contested. I will take the current model every day of the week, as we are gradually making up the ground and when we go past them, we will have the strength and stability to keep them in their box for a long time.
I'm not really seeing the sustainable growth.
"At the time of preparation, the forecast identified that the Group would require £10.0m by way of debt or equity funding by the end of season 2019/2020 in order to meet its liabilities as they fall due. The first tranche of funding is required from investors in November 2019. However, the final amount required is dependent on future football performance, European football participation and player trading amongst other factors. "
Why would I need to name them and do you honestly believe we can still win the league seriously. As for the Europa have you actually watched us play since we came back after the break.
The Scottish cup is our only chance of silverware realistically can we win I hope to God we can but if I am being realistic with our form I dont think we will but I hope I am wrong.
I think you should actually read what people post before jumping in try going back to the 1st post that you commented on then get back to me .You've said a more experienced man could win the league next year. I'm interested in who you think could come in and win the league in his first season.
There’s a triple negative in your post to the point where I don’t actually know what you are asking.I see, it's just not possible to have 'long term sustainable growth' and not make the same mistakes repeatedly in the short term?
Can you explain why not, please?
The whole model from root to fruit is for a long term squad and supportive infrastructure that is sustainable when we return to the top. Quick fixes don’t work and we don’t have the finance to do it anyway.
It may take longer than we all want, but we can’t deny the improvement across the board, especially in a European competition we didn’t expect to even get out of qualification for.
We need to stop acting like spoilt weans demanding everything immediately and realise that one of the all time great leaders is at the helm. He’s bringing us back from what was a horrendous mess, to being able to beat the time on their own patch, get out of a very high calibre European group and give us a situation where we can even consider challenging for the league.
We should forget about stopping 9 or 10. Personally it means nothing to me as they know they’ve not been contested. I will take the current model every day of the week, as we are gradually making up the ground and when we go past them, we will have the strength and stability to keep them in their box for a long time.
Fair do's, I'll try again.There’s a triple negative in your post to the point where I don’t actually know what you are asking.
Fairly small and biased sample you’ve used there - so your argument lacks any credibility. Try again son.
I think you should actually read what people post before jumping in try going back to the 1st post that you commented on then get back to me .
Great post!The whole model from root to fruit is for a long term squad and supportive infrastructure that is sustainable when we return to the top. Quick fixes don’t work and we don’t have the finance to do it anyway.
It may take longer than we all want, but we can’t deny the improvement across the board, especially in a European competition we didn’t expect to even get out of qualification for.
We need to stop acting like spoilt weans demanding everything immediately and realise that one of the all time great leaders is at the helm. He’s bringing us back from what was a horrendous mess, to being able to beat the time on their own patch, get out of a very high calibre European group and give us a situation where we can even consider challenging for the league.
We should forget about stopping 9 or 10. Personally it means nothing to me as they know they’ve not been contested. I will take the current model every day of the week, as we are gradually making up the ground and when we go past them, we will have the strength and stability to keep them in their box for a long time.