I'm sure Roma will tell you that's not true.UEFA can’t punish any club for incidents of any kind outside the grounds.
They were sanctioned for the Liverpool fan being stabbed outside the stadium.
I'm sure Roma will tell you that's not true.UEFA can’t punish any club for incidents of any kind outside the grounds.
The banner reflects badly on Rangers and by banning the fans pictured with the banner, it sends the message that the club will act on matters that show us in a bad light, regardless of it being in a stadium or not, and that may make people think twice.That's my thinking. They're getting a ban just for having a banner. That can't be right.
Utterly stupid thing to put on a banner. No idea what they were thinking about and they must have known it would bring the wrong sort of attention but I don't see how it's Rangers position to act on it if its not in a stadium.
That was outside the ground but literally right behind the Kop.I'm sure Roma will tell you that's not true.
They were sanctioned for the Liverpool fan being stabbed outside the stadium.
Looks like the club are being a bit hard line now. They have asked nicely but some don’t listen. 19th Century Terrorist is not acceptable anymore.
Playing complete devils advocate here, they didn’t display it in the stadium, how can the club then ban them? It was displayed in a public space? For the record the banner is idiotic and those that produced it clearly cannot see where the club is trying to go.
Theory goes If we get our house in order and the tims still play up then we'll be able to hammer them and turn the tables with improved press.The moral high ground strategy. Anyone who's got experience of NI and the media over there would understand it's not going to pan out like that.
What will happen as in NI. We'll cut our culture to the bone over the next few years but every time our fans step a tiny bit out of line we'll still get hammered as the problem while the tims will run wild as usual and the media will give them a pass regardless of the facts and how much ground we've given up.
It's road to nowhere strategy..across the water and here. It's very similar in terms of a one sided sectarianism process and where that leads.
The fact that some on here dont see anything wrong with the banner sums what the club is up against
Utterly staggering
Your absolutely correct in your observation on the GAWA mate and the vast majority would agree with the sentiments on the flag in question.You are moving into a different argument there.
While I agree that the sectarian industry is one sided against us, the way to fight it isn't by Shouting about 19th Century Terrorists or the Pope at Rangers games. That's just playing into our enemies hands.
As for Northern Ireland, just listen to the songs that the GAWA sing. They don't sing about the Pope and 19th Century Terrorists and they are a better support for it. In fact I would say that they are the best international support in Europe and I would bet the majority of them are bears.
If they can give up the uber prod stuff at the football then why can't us Scottish folk do it?
I think you are spot on. By some accounts we have dodged a bullet here. The risk ratio increases both financially and reputationally in the next stage of the tournament. It’s absurd that we are even discussing this.I genuinely think that if/when we get through the group the club will advise UEFA that we won't be accepting any away tickets for the knockout stage.
The risk of a stadium closure is just too big a risk to take, both financially and reputationally.
Can anybody here confirm that they are actually known to be “on our side”
Yet the Lazio fans can get tooled up to the hilt and wander Glasgow with no action from Police or UEFA, it’s a mess.I'm sure Roma will tell you that's not true.
They were sanctioned for the Liverpool fan being stabbed outside the stadium.
A happy medium could be found. Maybe people like me could accept not singing those songs in Europe much easier but if there was less of an attempt to stamp it out domestically so it doesn't feel like a total assault on a certain way of thinking.
We won't get punished for singing the F word in domestic football or billy boys. Infact i can't remember us ever being punished in domestic football for it. Any domestic punishment would directly benefit the bheasts so it's politically harder compared to Europe plus if you did us for songs in SPL then the bheasts who are far worse would be open aswell.
Yet the Lazio fans can get tooled up to the hilt and wander Glasgow with no action from Police or UEFA, it’s a mess.
The banner didn’t offend me one bit and it wasn’t in the stadium so it’s got nowt to with UEFA.
If Rangers go down the route of banning folk for a banner displayed nowhere near the game (stating something we all think anyway) then we’re going down a dangerous path.
As for the European song book - it’s been cleaned up. Anything naughty the other night may have occurred during a song played by the home PA system and at half time when it was played again the UB’s tried to start follow follow Glasgow Rangers - to avoid the possibility of naughty words again. We are trying as a support and getting there imo
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You’re not suggesting these 5 individuals took a few days off work, had a flag made, travelled to the airport, through security and unfurled it for a photo, but are indeed, mentally challengeds, are you?
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That’s Timmy logic mate.
Sectarian banner, made by and taken to the game by a few inbred morons.
“Bloody mhedia!!! Boooooooooo!”
You are just as thick as them, trying to defend a19th Century Terrorist bastard is racist in UEFAs eyes
What are you not getting here?
Banning brainless tossers seems like progress to me, I wouldn't want the idiots in my house.So Rangers are now banning people for a flag that was displayed outside the stadium
Worrying turn of events for everyone I think.
Very dangerous path to go down
How else can we stop the idiocy?How can they ban them if it’s not in the stadium?
Not sure I agree with this regardless of how stupid the idiots were for making it.
the club have to be hardlineLooks like the club are being a bit hard line now. They have asked nicely but some don’t listen. 19th Century Terrorist is not acceptable anymore.
You know how they work and how manipulative that they are. They are and have made out that they are like the blacks in the USA. Refused access to work, discriminated against and called offensive names.Im puzzled as to what’s wrong with it given they tag themselves “unrepentant 19th Century Terrorist b@stards”...,
I can see why the club have acted but the unwashed have a f*cking cheek being offended by it when it’s a term they use as a badge of honour.
Yes, however it would be naive to think that they do not cognisance of such stupidity as this, so that when we do breach their stadium rules they make sure that we are punished. It's ridiculous to try and defend these idiots.UEFA can’t punish any club for incidents of any kind outside the grounds.
Playing complete devils advocate here, they didn’t display it in the stadium, how can the club then ban them? It was displayed in a public space? For the record the banner is idiotic and those that produced it clearly cannot see where the club is trying to go.
the word 19th Century Terrorist is one thing, but when you combine it with bas****d then it's another. if they had a banner with black instead of 19th Century Terrorist they would be in jail by now. its the same thing and people need to realise it's not the 1980s anymore
According to polish news reports they got 50k euro fine and game behind closed doors but nothing on UEFA site.Did anything happen to Legia when they set of flares at Ibrox and got the game stopped?
I don't disagree mate, but we know exactly where we stand regarding 19th Century Terrorists.Yet the Lazio fans can get tooled up to the hilt and wander Glasgow with no action from Police or UEFA, it’s a mess.
I am just going back through this thread and clarifying my comment. I was referring to the Nightmare in Rotterdam banner, and not the WE Hate Celtic.The level of intelligence of some people on here makes me cringe, no wonder the club struggles to move on.
The truthThat banner was a total brasser. What the hell were they thinking?
Now that I think about it, we were done for the Villarreal team bus getting pelted in 2006.That was outside the ground but literally right behind the Kop.
uefa have admitted before they can’t do anything about things away from the stadium
I personally think Freedom of speech should permit any such banner.
If someone wants to put a racially abusive message on a flag, then let them. Also allow for the justified backlash they will suffer.
Too many people get offended in today's world and it is pathetic. I dont cry when a mentally challenged calls me an orange bastard. I'm not and they are wrong.
how is it? We would be up in arms if it had said Orange or hun.That’s a ridiculous assertion.
I think it’s harsh if they are going to ban people for the pyro ,
This isn’t just Rangers but all over the country club will ban people for pyro and flares etc until the club win and then they use these images as promotion , either the clubs are completed against it or they can try and promote the safe use of pyro ( likely never happen I know )
I agree with you about the banner, it’s never gonna be acceptable to unfurl that inside a stadium and in an ideal world people can say what they want without people getting all mock offended.Now that I think about it, we were done for the Villarreal team bus getting pelted in 2006.
Only last season we were looking at possible sanctions after the two Osijek fans were 'stabbed'.
I think what's pretty clear here is that they took the flag with the intention of taking it to the game, it's more than likely the backlash to their airport picture is what saved us.
UEFA might not be able to act on it, but Rangers are to be applauded for not taking any risks.
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Probably not - that might be a little too far. However, if the person decided to post it all over social media themselves or as part of their own group, bringing unnecessary attention on the club then perhaps they should?Just for the record I never said In my last post there was nothing wrong with the banner. This day and age it shouldn’t be BUT the picture is at a airport. What next a drunk in the street singing bad songs gets done and if hes a season ticket holder he has it taken of him?.
Aye?The self-same custodians who approved the release of an orange 3rd kit which is clearly a nod to our historical links to the Protestant, Unionist and Loyalist communities?
We're now at a stage where we have quite a few r.c. Players playing for us it's long past time we bin them, we're better than that lot, let's prove it.Might not get us a uefa punishment, but it does absolutely nothing for our reputation and gives the media constant ammunition to batter into us. Also shows a complete lack of respect for the club's campaign and creates a culture and environment of letting the bullshit creep back into the stadium.
I don't give a %^*& if they're brand new on a bus, they paid to get a huge Rangers flag made and put Celtic on it, not just that but they then called them 19th Century Terrorists on it, not just that but they then posted it online after taking it abroad to a European away game. That's not the actions of some 'brand new' guys, that's the actions of some grade A fucking knobends
It'll need someone who isn't Rangers to provide them though.I agree with you about the banner, it’s never gonna be acceptable to unfurl that inside a stadium and in an ideal world people can say what they want without people getting all mock offended.
A ban won’t stop them from attending though itl just make it harder to get tickets
Where do you think the guys with this banner took it after their photo shoot, did the just leave it at the airport or maybe the pub they where in or maybe they actually took it to the stadium?Not sure I agree with the club on this to be honest. As far as I know the photo with the banner wasn't in the stadium. It was a daft post on social media, yes. But where do they draw the line here?