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Can't help feeling that we may be a little short of readies at the moment. Paterson and Gerrard money assigned to running costs perhaps?
Gio said he has money available last week.
Can't help feeling that we may be a little short of readies at the moment. Paterson and Gerrard money assigned to running costs perhaps?
Last few seasons haven’t been great.
As I said, we’ve signed a lot of shite.
Bacuna, Ofoborh, Lundstram, Simpson, Hastie, Jones, Barker. All avoidable signings.
I still find the Ofoborh and Simpson pre-contract signings the most baffling. Whoever sanctioned those signings needs sectioned.
Then you have the likes of Itten, who hasn’t been poor by any stretch, but just isn’t good enough for the £2.5m we spent.
Way too much sanity for the transfer rumours thread mate.In the last few seasons (we'll go from 2019/2020, so just over 2 full seasons so we can just ignore the first summer Gerrard came) we've also signed Kent, Helander, Roofe, Davis, Aribo, Hagi, Wright, Balogun, Bassey, McLaughlin who have all contributed loads to a team which won the league and has taken us further in Europe than we had any right to expect.
Yeah, some signings didn't work out, but as I asked, what is your barometer here? Can you put a figure on it? Is a 50% transfer success rate good enough? How you do even define success really? If signing a player means one we have already at the club steps up to a higher level to retain his place, is that success?
You're using a strawman argument to criticise the transfer policy at the club, in a throwaway statement. It needs far more qualification than you've provided.
I'll say this - there will never be a time when some players aren't considered "a waste of money" at Rangers, and people will claim they were always going to be so. The issue I have with it is that no one can point to a club in world football where it doesn't work that way as well, so why should we be any different?
For those who think we don’t need to strengthen the first team. Don’t come back on here greeting in May if we’ve lost the League to the vermin. We need to fund some signings from somewhere to ensure we win this League. Win it this year, we go from strength to strength.
Don't think anyone thinks that to be honest but if we don't get anyone in the squad is more than strong enough to get the job done this season.For those who think we don’t need to strengthen the first team. Don’t come back on here greeting in May if we’ve lost the League to the vermin. We need to fund some signings from somewhere to ensure we win this League. Win it this year, we go from strength to strength.
I get what you're saying but we may simply just not have the funds to buy a player that'll improve our first team and that's the reality.For those who think we don’t need to strengthen the first team. Don’t come back on here greeting in May if we’ve lost the League to the vermin. We need to fund some signings from somewhere to ensure we win this League. Win it this year, we go from strength to strength.
In the last few seasons (we'll go from 2019/2020, so just over 2 full seasons so we can just ignore the first summer Gerrard came) we've also signed Kent, Helander, Roofe, Davis, Aribo, Hagi, Wright, Balogun, Bassey, McLaughlin who have all contributed loads to a team which won the league and has taken us further in Europe than we had any right to expect.
Yeah, some signings didn't work out, but as I asked, what is your barometer here? Can you put a figure on it? Is a 50% transfer success rate good enough? How you do even define success really? If signing a player means one we have already at the club steps up to a higher level to retain his place, is that success?
You're using a strawman argument to criticise the transfer policy at the club, in a throwaway statement. It needs far more qualification than you've provided.
I'll say this - there will never be a time when some players aren't considered "a waste of money" at Rangers, and people will claim they were always going to be so. The issue I have with it is that no one can point to a club in world football where it doesn't work that way as well, so why should we be any different?
Have you seen him play mate?Rumours in Inverness we're wanting Roddy McGregor for the B team. 6 figure fee.
Fair enough, I get where you’re coming from.In the last few seasons (we'll go from 2019/2020, so just over 2 full seasons so we can just ignore the first summer Gerrard came) we've also signed Kent, Helander, Roofe, Davis, Aribo, Hagi, Wright, Balogun, Bassey, McLaughlin who have all contributed loads to a team which won the league and has taken us further in Europe than we had any right to expect.
Yeah, some signings didn't work out, but as I asked, what is your barometer here? Can you put a figure on it? Is a 50% transfer success rate good enough? How you do even define success really? If signing a player means one we have already at the club steps up to a higher level to retain his place, is that success?
You're using a strawman argument to criticise the transfer policy at the club, in a throwaway statement. It needs far more qualification than you've provided.
I'll say this - there will never be a time when some players aren't considered "a waste of money" at Rangers, and people will claim they were always going to be so. The issue I have with it is that no one can point to a club in world football where it doesn't work that way as well, so why should we be any different?
In the last few seasons (we'll go from 2019/2020, so just over 2 full seasons so we can just ignore the first summer Gerrard came) we've also signed Kent, Helander, Roofe, Davis, Aribo, Hagi, Wright, Balogun, Bassey, McLaughlin who have all contributed loads to a team which won the league and has taken us further in Europe than we had any right to expect.
Yeah, some signings didn't work out, but as I asked, what is your barometer here? Can you put a figure on it? Is a 50% transfer success rate good enough? How you do even define success really? If signing a player means one we have already at the club steps up to a higher level to retain his place, is that success?
You're using a strawman argument to criticise the transfer policy at the club, in a throwaway statement. It needs far more qualification than you've provided.
I'll say this - there will never be a time when some players aren't considered "a waste of money" at Rangers, and people will claim they were always going to be so. The issue I have with it is that no one can point to a club in world football where it doesn't work that way as well, so why should we be any different?
We still need to freshen up and try to get signings that will give the place a lift a provide competition for the players, if we don't do that we'll struggle, in football you simply cannot stand still.In the last few seasons (we'll go from 2019/2020, so just over 2 full seasons so we can just ignore the first summer Gerrard came) we've also signed Kent, Helander, Roofe, Davis, Aribo, Hagi, Wright, Balogun, Bassey, McLaughlin who have all contributed loads to a team which won the league and has taken us further in Europe than we had any right to expect.
Yeah, some signings didn't work out, but as I asked, what is your barometer here? Can you put a figure on it? Is a 50% transfer success rate good enough? How you do even define success really? If signing a player means one we have already at the club steps up to a higher level to retain his place, is that success?
You're using a strawman argument to criticise the transfer policy at the club, in a throwaway statement. It needs far more qualification than you've provided.
I'll say this - there will never be a time when some players aren't considered "a waste of money" at Rangers, and people will claim they were always going to be so. The issue I have with it is that no one can point to a club in world football where it doesn't work that way as well, so why should we be any different?
This. Pointless wages on pointless players is a thing we need to move past.As much as I would love a couple of high quality signings this window I really don't want more last minute squad filler Bacuna/Zungu/Barker/Simpson types that we then spend the next 3 years trying to get rid of!
Quality or nothing at all please!
Fair enough, I get where you’re coming from.
I think it’s simpler to take it on a player by player basis when judging success rather than an overall outlook. We’ve made some fantastic signings and we’ve made some shite signings. I feel that the likes I’ve mentioned were completely avoidable.
Signing Simpson on a 4 year contract, a 24 year old with 20 league games to his name can be judged. It was an awful signing at the time.
I believe we can do much better than that in the market. That’s all.
'It's all about opinions' as they say. Well in my opinion, Sakala on the opposite flank to Ryan Kent is in our strongest starting 11 as it currently stands.Surely sakala was viewed as competing for a first team spot?
Good pointJust watched a very good segment on sky sports. They were interviewing a football agent who mentioned that if any club in the UK wants to buy a player from abroad it will take around 48hrs to get their work permit due to us being outside the EU. This will then scupper any last min deals we try and get done with players overseas unless we are willing to see what happens with the work permits
Surely sakala was viewed as competing for a first team spot?
We haven't signed a first 11 player since 2019.
We've signed some squad depth, but no one in 2 and a half years that starts when everyone is fit. This is despite the fact our reputation has increased, we've become more competitive and succeeded in Europe. Our transfers for the last 2 years have been poor, there's no other way of looking at it.
2021
Bacuna
Lundstram
Sakala
Ofoborh
Sands
2020
Roofe
Itten
Wright
Balogun
McLaughlin
Bassey
Simpson
Zungu
Compare that to 2019
Kent
Helander
Davis
Aribo
Hagi
+ some frees
And even 2018
Goldson
Barasic
Katic
Kamara
Arfield
McGregor
Davis (Loan)
Kent (Loan)
+ some frees
How else are you going to judge it by not going through the cases individually?You can't judge an overall policy by looking at individuals, surely?
Like we did with Defoesome people on this thread think we can still attract world class players like we did in the 90s.
We still need to freshen up and try to get signings that will give the place a lift a provide competition for the players, if we don't do that we'll struggle, in football you simply cannot stand still.
Especially with Patterson moneyFor those who think we don’t need to strengthen the first team. Don’t come back on here greeting in May if we’ve lost the League to the vermin. We need to fund some signings from somewhere to ensure we win this League. Win it this year, we go from strength to strength.
How else are you going to judge it by not going through the cases individually?
There's plenty of other ways of looking at it.
For a start, both Roofe and Balogun started plenty of games when everyone was fit.
Secondly, we didn't lose the first team players you mention, so we weren't signing replacements. If Aribo, Kent, Morelos, Kamara, Hagi, Tavernier, Goldson are all as good as we tend to believe, we don't really have the money to buy better as it stands.
Again, it's not like we're alone in this sort of thing. Plenty of examples of top clubs not changing the core of their starting team for seasons on end, clubs that can spend vast amounts more than us. Theresa strength in continuity as well.
I think we have to back the gaffer either way,although he is on record as saying that he has been given funds,how much that is is anyone's guess. I just hope even for one signing that'll make a difference. But if he chooses to go with what we've got,then I'll go with that,frustrated as I will be,because we do need strengthening in the forward lines. I'd keep the 300,000 grand Hearts are asking for and put it towards an attacking player because our defence is fine the now and is an area that isn't as urgent as other areas of the team.What if Gio is happy to go with what he has as the right player isn’t available?
We are all big daft weans when it comes to transfers, but Gio in particular seems very relaxed about it all.
For those who think we don’t need to strengthen the first team. Don’t come back on here greeting in May if we’ve lost the League to the vermin. We need to fund some signings from somewhere to ensure we win this League. Win it this year, we go from strength to strength.
The contract situation and the general squad management has been poor. Very short term thinking, negligent and leaving us in a very testing situation this summer. Even more so if we don't win the league.I would argue the mark of successful clubs is generally investing when they are winning to refresh the team and not become stale.
The fact that we haven't has left us in a position where the below is very likely:
Leaves on a Free this summer
Goldson
Balogun
McGregor
McLaughlin
Davis
Arfield
Less than 12 months left on Contract
Ryan Kent
Morelos
Aribo
Helander
Ryan Jack
That's 7/8 first 11 players who will either be out of contract or have less than 12 months on their contract and may need to be sold if they don't re-sign.
This is Celtic 20/21 and we're ignoring it.
We need to learn to stop giving long term contracts to bang average players. It really is so frustrating reading that list when you think of the wages being squandered could've probably have gotten us a couple of half decent signings.Last few seasons haven’t been great.
As I said, we’ve signed a lot of shite.
Bacuna, Ofoborh, Lundstram, Simpson, Hastie, Jones, Barker. All avoidable signings.
I still find the Ofoborh and Simpson pre-contract signings the most baffling. Whoever sanctioned those signings needs sectioned.
Then you have the likes of Itten, who hasn’t been poor by any stretch, but just isn’t good enough for the £2.5m we spent.
I would argue the mark of successful clubs is generally investing when they are winning to refresh the team and not become stale.
The fact that we haven't has left us in a position where the below is very likely:
Leaves on a Free this summer
Goldson
Balogun
McGregor
McLaughlin
Davis
Arfield
Less than 12 months left on Contract
Ryan Kent
Morelos
Aribo
Helander
Ryan Jack
That's 7/8 first 11 players who will either be out of contract or have less than 12 months on their contract and may need to be sold if they don't re-sign.
This is Celtic 20/21 and we're ignoring it.
The contract situation and the general squad management has been poor. Very short term thinking, negligent and leaving us in a very testing situation this summer. Even more so if we don't win the league.
It surely can't be argued otherwise?
There's plenty of other ways of looking at it.
For a start, both Roofe and Balogun started plenty of games when everyone was fit.
Secondly, we didn't lose the first team players you mention, so we weren't signing replacements. If Aribo, Kent, Morelos, Kamara, Hagi, Tavernier, Goldson are all as good as we tend to believe, we don't really have the money to buy better as it stands.
Again, it's not like we're alone in this sort of thing. Plenty of examples of top clubs not changing the core of their starting team for seasons on end, clubs that can spend vast amounts more than us. Theresa strength in continuity as well.
Signing any new player is always something of a gamble - it inevitably involves risk. There is no way that you can get it right 100% of the time, but at least we are entitled to expect that the 'failed' signings will be far fewer that the 'successful' ones, otherwise the people in charge of this aspect of team's business isn't good at their job. Looking over some of the underwhelming signings we have made recently, I'd say someone at Rangers need to find another line of work.We need to learn to stop giving long term contracts to bang average players. It really is so frustrating reading that list when you think of the wages being squandered could've probably have gotten us a couple of half decent signings.
I would argue the mark of successful clubs is generally investing when they are winning to refresh the team and not become stale.
The fact that we haven't has left us in a position where the below is very likely:
Leaves on a Free this summer
Goldson
Balogun
McGregor
McLaughlin
Davis
Arfield
Less than 12 months left on Contract
Ryan Kent
Morelos
Aribo
Helander
Ryan Jack
That's 7/8 first 11 players who will either be out of contract or have less than 12 months on their contract and may need to be sold if they don't re-sign.
This is Celtic 20/21 and we're ignoring it.
Ach, not going to get in to a 20 post debate and derail this thread even further.The squad we built won us the league, against a team spending more than we were, and has done brilliantly in Europe. I don't think that's negligent.
A number of very sellable assets still have over a year on their contracts. I don't see that as short term.
So the issue becomes whether or not those players want to stay, and Scottish football will always struggle to keep a hold of cracking players. Even with the CL, playing in the Premiership in England is the bigger draw.
I believe what we're finding is that it's extremely difficult to break a ceiling in Scottish football.
And the life cycle of teams that need to buy low and sell high, as we'll need to do, is one of backwards steps at times to hopefully get to where you were, possibly a bit better, as often as possible.
We could spend £6m on Svok Olsen right now and not lose anyone else and it would only really be a marginal improvement. We can't afford to get to a next level, or even just to maintain the brilliance of last season.
But we're still in a very strong place as it stands.
Assuming we don’t do anything else this window which is looking the most likely outcome as it stands, it makes me seriously concerned over just how bad the financial situation is behind the scenes. The AGM painted a picture of a club on its way to financial sustainability but I can’t see any reason why we’d bring in £16.5m and not spend a penny of it unless it’s plugging gaps which we’re not aware of behind the scenes.
Could be a long few seasons ahead if we seriously can’t afford to invest in any quality, unless that’s solely dependant on winning the league this season which in itself brings its own challenges.
Weird we are bidding £300k for an area we are well covered for when we have more urgent areas of the team that need improvement.
Sakala - isn’t a baller just a raw talent that will either have a mediocre spell or will be a superstar who goes to the EPL for a large amount of cash but that’s purely down to him and his developmentOooh, I love these.
I'm really intregued (since we have someone who can clearly see into he future), could you conclusively just let us know if the following are going to work out:
- Bacuna
- Sakala
- Sands
Are they "proper ballers" or not? I assume you will have a definitive answer as you'll have seen even more of each of them than Ofobohr, and it would be really useful if we can get a conclusive decision on their futures sorted out now...
Unless of course you are just making stuff up retrospectively. But that can't be right, surely...
I hope it’s as innocent as that but we’re yet to even sign a back up RB for example. Sure there’s plenty we could get who’d be decent for us but nothing there either.Maybe we're being wise with player recruitment, you never know mate. When we're talking of spending upwards of £5m on a player you want to be sure their the right fit. We spent £7m on Kent knowing what we were getting. A lot of clubs wont let a player go mid season without first getting their replacement in first which isnt ideal either.
Hoping we get what we want but only time will tell.
I hope it’s as innocent as that but we’re yet to even sign a back up RB for example. Sure there’s plenty we could get who’d be decent for us but nothing there either.
Seems like we’re very much resting on our laurels at the moment and as I say, my concern is what’s driving that.
Assuming we don’t do anything else this window which is looking the most likely outcome as it stands, it makes me seriously concerned over just how bad the financial situation is behind the scenes. The AGM painted a picture of a club on its way to financial sustainability but I can’t see any reason why we’d bring in £16.5m and not spend a penny of it unless it’s plugging gaps which we’re not aware of behind the scenes.
Could be a long few seasons ahead if we seriously can’t afford to invest in any quality, unless that’s solely dependant on winning the league this season which in itself brings its own challenges.
Where did you see that?Will we move quickly now as hagi needs s a operation on his ankle