billyritchieshireblue
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Post of the day potentially. Honesty and not blinkered optimism is what we need. All of that is spot on.
We can still make it difficult for them and that we must so that next season we start on a high
Post of the day potentially. Honesty and not blinkered optimism is what we need. All of that is spot on.
Pedro's Disciples on here with the knives out for Gerrard you couldn't make this shit up. Clueless fkn buffoons.
You highlight Gerrard's weaknesses and this is this pish you have to listen to. I couldn't give a toss about Pedro Caixinha - his results weren't good enough and he was removed. Am absolute failure and negative in our history.
If people are happy with our domestic form under Gerrard then fair enough. Three points better off than last season isn't good enough, especially given how poor the bheggars have been and the wasted opportunities we have passed by.
If this wasn't a high profile ex player in charge the knives would be out. Our domestic form is garbage, we have no consistency, no plan b, he's constantly getting line ups, set ups and decisions wrong. Poor in the transfer market, failure to learn from mistakes, handling of certain players, rarely changes the course of a game, throws players under the bus, no clue what to do when Morelos is out. The standard of play is dreadful, we lack leadership, drive, urgency, we are as one paced, flat and as predictable as an Ally McCoist side. Our game plan with Morelos out is to sent it long to 5ft 7' Jermain Defoe, constantly. We lacked creativity yet turned to Davis and Defoe. If you don't create, you don't feed. Gerrard mentioned experience, well that's worked well hasn't it. Shoehorning the likes of Defoe and Davis into the side without a proper system, game plan and style of play. When has Defoe ever had to endure long ball football, be expected to win aerial balls, hold it up, work off himself and get into the box? Absolutely no thoughts put into this what so ever other than, well it's Defoe, a great finisher, he'll do a job for us.
You could put any one of McCoist, Warburton, Caixinha, Murty or Gerrard in charge and you wouldn't know the difference of who's in charge unless you looked to the dugout.
I'll be amazed if we win the Scottish Cup, failure to do so and it's back to back to back trebles. The majority said a title fight (not necessarily a league win), big improvements, closer to the bheggars, more consistent, 2nd place, proof we are heading in the right direction and a cup win, were realistic targets this season.
Losing Kent and Morelos for next season is a concern. We are lost without Morelos and Allen and Gerrard haven't exactly been a hit in the transfer market.
I guess we go again on Wednesday night, which will no doubt be yet another struggle as the oppositions manager has the better of Gerrard to date - which is another one of Gerrard's weaknesses. The inability to out think a manager and truly his team breaking down stubborn, organised opposition.
You highlight Gerrard's weaknesses and this is this pish you have to listen to. I couldn't give a toss about Pedro Caixinha - his results weren't good enough and he was removed. Am absolute failure and negative in our history.
If people are happy with our domestic form under Gerrard then fair enough. Three points better off than last season isn't good enough, especially given how poor the bheggars have been and the wasted opportunities we have passed by.
If this wasn't a high profile ex player in charge the knives would be out. Our domestic form is garbage, we have no consistency, no plan b, he's constantly getting line ups, set ups and decisions wrong. Poor in the transfer market, failure to learn from mistakes, handling of certain players, rarely changes the course of a game, throws players under the bus, no clue what to do when Morelos is out. The standard of play is dreadful, we lack leadership, drive, urgency, we are as one paced, flat and as predictable as an Ally McCoist side. Our game plan with Morelos out is to sent it long to 5ft 7' Jermain Defoe, constantly. We lacked creativity yet turned to Davis and Defoe. If you don't create, you don't feed. Gerrard mentioned experience, well that's worked well hasn't it. Shoehorning the likes of Defoe and Davis into the side without a proper system, game plan and style of play. When has Defoe ever had to endure long ball football, be expected to win aerial balls, hold it up, work off himself and get into the box? Absolutely no thoughts put into this what so ever other than, well it's Defoe, a great finisher, he'll do a job for us.
You could put any one of McCoist, Warburton, Caixinha, Murty or Gerrard in charge and you wouldn't know the difference of who's in charge unless you looked to the dugout.
I'll be amazed if we win the Scottish Cup, failure to do so and it's back to back to back trebles. The majority said a title fight (not necessarily a league win), big improvements, closer to the bheggars, more consistent, 2nd place, proof we are heading in the right direction and a cup win, were realistic targets this season.
Losing Kent and Morelos for next season is a concern. We are lost without Morelos and Allen and Gerrard haven't exactly been a hit in the transfer market.
I guess we go again on Wednesday night, which will no doubt be yet another struggle as the oppositions manager has the better of Gerrard to date - which is another one of Gerrard's weaknesses. The inability to out think a manager and truly his team breaking down stubborn, organised opposition.
Totally agree he's brought us on quite a bit mThe idea Gerrard gets an easy ride is nonsense. He's had a fair amount of criticism this season and a lot of it deservedly so.
Question is, being a rookie manager, did people think he would go through a full season without making errors that would lead to such criticism?
Folk are just unwilling to ride the bumps.
Yet another made up to statistic.The same one where he played the ball backwards 95% of the time
Gerrard gets away with murder purely because of his name imo
He is as much to blame as anyone else for our failure to put up a legitimate challenge. It's February and id say he still doesn't know his 11
4 mill spunked on Barasic and grezda
Only 3 pts better than we were this stage last season
If he wasn't Steven Gerrard would he see a phase 2?
I think we have improved from last season , for very little outlay , however if the yahoo win yet another treble then the “ gap” you refer to is still there and we do require some decent spending on the squad to change it . We are not going to win the title with the current squad of players .
The difference is we know we have an inexperienced manager. So whether we like it or not, he has to be given more time.
This is EXACTLY what will take us years to win the league again.
At some point we need to give a manager time, like minimum 2 full seasons time.
I think the one who got us to within one goal of the europa league last 32 and got us our first league win against celtic since our return to the top flight has shown enough to suggest we stick with him.
We beat Celtic and Aberdeen after Christmas thoughHe’s not exactly making a good job of our league campaign is he? Who are Pedro’s disciples?
Clueless is what I’d say Gerrard has been since Christmas.
We beat Celtic and Aberdeen after Christmas though
It has been piss poor.I meant the Christmas holiday period. Aside from beating Aberdeen, it’s been piss poor, and undoing the good work of the 29th by tinkering to shoe horn in shiny new toys lacking in match sharpness, was ridiculous. Especially when you consider it was away at a venue where it’s extremely difficult to win, any venue other than Rugby Park, the piggery or Pittodrie.
Totally agree. My English team is Liverpool but I can’t stand the blinkered view that Stevie can do no wrong. To me the European run and the Celtic win have bought him time but if we finish more than 6 points behind them and don’t win the cup, it’s been a failure of a season.By the way, to be clear, I am not advocating sacking Gerrard at all. For me he should be given more time, and plenty more time too. I’m just sick of seeing lame duck excuses made for him because he was a legend as a player. Warburton/Pedro/Murty would be crucified for games like that yesterday, but because we’ve got a footballing legend in the dug out all the blame is shifted on to the players, HIS players whom he signs, trains, and instructs.
Similarly, I don’t want to be called clueless for highlighting his glaring errors, especially from fans who told us Kiernan was a good player, Waburton would have us close to winning the league if he was still here, Lafferty was a better goal scorer than Morelos, Morelos wasn’t cut out to be our main striker, and that Josh Windass was destined for the premier league with so many clubs down south desperate to take him. If I got all of those big calls spectacularly wrong I’d probably wind my neck in, out of embarrassment as much as anything.
The same nonsense you've been posting on here for years after a poor result yet when we win we are the best team in the world and all the players and gaffer are the men.
You're up and down like a Yoyo.
You don't even need to read the threads to know what the content of them are and what posters will be saying.
You could put a case up saying Pena contributed more than Grezda hasI agree he gets extra leeway because of who he is. We can’t change manager again at this stage though, we have no choice but now to run with it for another season anyway. The count down to their ten though is going to intensify the pressure from the norm.
On the signings, Barisic and Grezda have been huge disappointments thus far. They seem to be this years Mexicans, and we need a lot more from not just them, but given the money spent on them questions need asked.
You could put a case up saying Pena contributed more than Grezda hasI agree he gets extra leeway because of who he is. We can’t change manager again at this stage though, we have no choice but now to run with it for another season anyway. The count down to their ten though is going to intensify the pressure from the norm.
On the signings, Barisic and Grezda have been huge disappointments thus far. They seem to be this years Mexicans, and we need a lot more from not just them, but given the money spent on them questions need asked.
Mind boggling that anyone would claim not to see the difference in him this year!This is just rubbish, Morelos was just as good last season as this season, the difference?
1. he's been a bit more consistent.
2. he's being noticed.
Last season, you lot completely ignored what he did outside the box. Remember, he played for a Rangers side that wasn't as strong as the current side and did most of the work, but was wrongly being slated. Perhaps he's a bit fitter and is improving, but to make it out as if it's some huge difference, only serves to prove folk had it in for him last season.
Of course there isn’t, and rightly so.There’s no point in even considering Gerrard being replaced. He’ll get the entirety of next season too, barring a catastrophic drop in results.
It's not a case of catching up with the yahoos as you put it , it is about winning games like yesterday which quite frankly we never looked like doing .As for investment we have invested more than teams like St Johnstone, Kilmarnock,Livingstone , Dundee, Motherwell put together and yet all of these teams have taken points from us you could possibly include Aberdeen and Hibs in that equation ,so I don't think that it is solely down to investment . Looking at the game yesterday where I don't think we had a single shot on target reminded me of games under Caixinha and Warburton where we might have dropped points but we would have had something like ten or twenty attempts on goal for I remember arguing after some of these games with mates that if you look at the stats we should have won these games , you could not use the stats argument now for I would struggle to think of a game where we have dropped points and claim to be unlucky apart from maybe the Dundee game .I have got to agree with you.
It’s like Groundhog Day every season, until we manage to get big money investment we will always be struggling to play catch up to the yahoos!
We have signed Jones and will have Murphy back as well. There's your two wide guys next season.We may need to buy 3 forward players next season,
If Alfie leaves and we continue with 4-3-3 then for it to work it’ll need to be 3 that can score goals,
beThe problem is if he sells Morelos and Tav and gets over 20 mill I have worries in how it is spent.
Goldson and Katic I think are our only signings that have worked and then SG drops one of them for a poorer player.
None of the other players have been a success and yes I include Kent. He has had a few good games but has a very low assist record and rarely scores.
You highlight Gerrard's weaknesses and this is this pish you have to listen to. I couldn't give a toss about Pedro Caixinha - his results weren't good enough and he was removed. Am absolute failure and negative in our history.
If people are happy with our domestic form under Gerrard then fair enough. Three points better off than last season isn't good enough, especially given how poor the bheggars have been and the wasted opportunities we have passed by.
If this wasn't a high profile ex player in charge the knives would be out. Our domestic form is garbage, we have no consistency, no plan b, he's constantly getting line ups, set ups and decisions wrong. Poor in the transfer market, failure to learn from mistakes, handling of certain players, rarely changes the course of a game, throws players under the bus, no clue what to do when Morelos is out. The standard of play is dreadful, we lack leadership, drive, urgency, we are as one paced, flat and as predictable as an Ally McCoist side. Our game plan with Morelos out is to sent it long to 5ft 7' Jermain Defoe, constantly. We lacked creativity yet turned to Davis and Defoe. If you don't create, you don't feed. Gerrard mentioned experience, well that's worked well hasn't it. Shoehorning the likes of Defoe and Davis into the side without a proper system, game plan and style of play. When has Defoe ever had to endure long ball football, be expected to win aerial balls, hold it up, work off himself and get into the box? Absolutely no thoughts put into this what so ever other than, well it's Defoe, a great finisher, he'll do a job for us.
You could put any one of McCoist, Warburton, Caixinha, Murty or Gerrard in charge and you wouldn't know the difference of who's in charge unless you looked to the dugout.
I'll be amazed if we win the Scottish Cup, failure to do so and it's back to back to back trebles. The majority said a title fight (not necessarily a league win), big improvements, closer to the bheggars, more consistent, 2nd place, proof we are heading in the right direction and a cup win, were realistic targets this season.
Losing Kent and Morelos for next season is a concern. We are lost without Morelos and Allen and Gerrard haven't exactly been a hit in the transfer market.
I guess we go again on Wednesday night, which will no doubt be yet another struggle as the oppositions manager has the better of Gerrard to date - which is another one of Gerrard's weaknesses. The inability to out think a manager and truly his team breaking down stubborn, organised opposition.
Agreed. When you’ve got people on here giving it “aye, only x amount of points better than Oor Pedro” it makes you wonder what their angle is.SG certainly never told the players to hit Defoe with the service he got yesterday-he states as much in his post match interview-nonsense that this should be stated.
Also what went before SG can't be used as a stick to beat him.
Some of these replies prove why it is very likely SG is already on borrowed time and the clamour for change will accelerate.
I meant the Christmas holiday period. Aside from beating Aberdeen, it’s been piss poor, and undoing the good work of the 29th by tinkering to shoe horn in shiny new toys lacking in match sharpness, was ridiculous. Especially when you consider it was away at a venue where it’s extremely difficult to win, any venue other than Rugby Park, the piggery or Pittodrie.
Agreed. When you’ve got people on here giving it “aye, only x amount of points better than Oor Pedro” it makes you wonder what their angle is.
There’s been significant progress on the pitch, in Europe, the regulating financial impacts and progress on recruitment. Anyone pointing back to last season as a way to criticise Gerrard defies belief.
Gerrard has to answer questions on various fronts and our inability to string wins together is crippling us. For me though, I’ve no doubts he’s got us coming on leaps and bounds from the past few chancers who managed us.
As we’re likely to remain financially disadvantaged in comparison to the Beasts, I always felt we needed to push the boat out for an experienced manager with a track record of getting the most from relatively limited resources.
If you're being totally blunt and honest, the appointment of Gerrard was a needless, reckless risk when it was clear we were shouting out for a man with experience and gravitas.
This idea is exacerbated when you consider that, since 2012, the rebuilding of our club has gone to almost entirely inexperienced rookies.
What we want and could get are miles apart.
We were an absolute joke when Gerrard took over - 3rd in Scotland a baw hair from being 4th - no credible manage would take the job under that guise because the club looked a ruderless mess
We had to gamble and took the decision on an untested rookie who we have invested a long term contract in the hope he improves.
The candidates we were linked without were linked for a reason McIness, Pedro and others were the level of realistic options
If we could get the experienced known winner we all list for the board would have went and got that.
They are gambling because they have to in the hope we find something that hits - or in Gerard’s case improves with time.
This time last year the unanimous consensus amongst the Rangers support was that Rangers needed to give the job to someone with experience. Murty was getting rag-dolled every week by managers with significant more miles on the clock than he -the manager of the youth team - had. That the board had to appoint a strong, seasoned manager was the one thing that we all agreed upon.
Then Gerrard was linked, and suddenly that pragmatic, logical appointment was put to one side.
Our managers since 2012 have gone to McCoist (not entirely his fault, but his deficiencies in leading the club post-admin were clear for all); McDowall (perennial assistant); Warburton (only two full seasons under his belt); Murty (definition of wrong place, wrong time); Pedro (the most baffling and bewildering appointment in Rangers' history); a bit of Murty again, and Jimmy fcking Nicholl (sacked by Cowdenbeath in his last job).
Whatever the club needed after all of that, it wasn't another needless risk.
This time last year the unanimous consensus amongst the Rangers support was that Rangers needed to give the job to someone with experience. Murty was getting rag-dolled every week by managers with significant more miles on the clock than he -the manager of the youth team - had. That the board had to appoint a strong, seasoned manager was the one thing that we all agreed upon.
Then Gerrard was linked, and suddenly that pragmatic, logical appointment was put to one side.
Our managers since 2012 have gone to McCoist (not entirely his fault, but his deficiencies in leading the club post-admin were clear for all); McDowall (perennial assistant); Warburton (only two full seasons under his belt); Murty (definition of wrong place, wrong time); Pedro (the most baffling and bewildering appointment in Rangers' history); a bit of Murty again, and Jimmy fcking Nicholl (sacked by Cowdenbeath in his last job).
Whatever the club needed after all of that, it wasn't another needless risk.
The realistic manager with experience was going to be someone the ilk of McLeish rather than even a Sam Allardyce - we have a rookie as the other candidates were brutal - our spent months looking at what was realistically available to them.
The idea of a manger with experience sounds great until they are given a profile, a personality a CV - it wasn’t going to be a wonder appointment it was going to be someone who deflated the support further - the board played the game for about 8 months floating names to see what fans thought.
They have to recruit from a place of where we are - there is little appeal in the job - it took an appointment from nowhere to galvanise the support and club - it worked
It would be ya who looked like mugs if we binned Gerrard off, he would come out it Ok - we would be left stumbling around again thinking “%^*& if that’s the likely options we might have to “accept” McIness”....no thanks.
The club
They tried to hire McInnes. He has won silverware and has experience, ticked a few extra boxes too. Would you have preferred him to Gerrard ?
The club have stated numerous times that there wasn’t a single outstanding candidate for the job at the time and those with experience had failed in their precious jobs. I can’t fault the board’s logic one bit, even with the benefit of hindsite.
There were plenty of candidates being mooted on here at the time. Whether any of them were interested or viable options is an entirely moot point: the board should have found someone. The answer it it all is not to ultimately appoint an entirely untested rookie.
We were told at the time that Gerrard was "galvanise" the club. What does that mean now when Celtic look a pretty safe bet for a treble treble?
And the merry go round will continue unless SG wins the SC cupAlso what went before SG can't be used as a stick to beat him with
Some of these replies prove why it is very likely SG is already on borrowed time and the clamour for change will accelerate.
On here isn’t real life - we should get Pep...thats me mooting it on here that doesn’t make it realistic.
It means in money alone we are about 12 million better of than we were or could have been with a “trusted” manager and retained fan enthusasims and ST sales in a way a McIness simply wasn’t going to.
There is no point assessing situations that’s aren’t and a life scenario thats not taken place as there’s no way to either prove or disprove that theory.
I never post that the team are the best in the world or go over board with players because I know they are not. I praise good performances and results, and rightly so.
It's the same content over and over again as the seasons are panning out the same.
I never post that the team are the best in the world or go over board with players because I know they are not. I praise good performances and results, and rightly so.
It's the same content over and over again as the seasons are panning out the same.
I didn't want McInnes but given that the board approached him in the first place is just as damning an indictment of their appointment process as giving the job to Gerrard was.
Who has he turned around exactly?
I really dont know, is there a viable alternative? Whether there is or isnt it does t take away from the fact that the next stage doesnt sound too appealing if its more of the same. We cant break down teams and are having points taking off us right left and centre. The notion that the players are not good enough is nonsense, they were good enough against some good european teams and good enough to beat the reigning champions. It is my view that we are tacticaly inept. If plan a doesnt work then we drop pointsWhat would be your alternative?
Details please.