Ruben Sosa
Well-Known Member
If the interest from the Championship is at 8-10 million, then that price will rise when the almost inevitable interest from the EPL materialises.
I’d take 1.0-1.5m for Greg too if possible.
Not sure he will cut it now.
That's it, it is why the idea of Kamara for example going for 10/12/15 million is far fetched, that's just not sensible business to us.
Leeds, EPL Sides would be looking to basically take a player on say 6k and pay him the best part of 30/40k, and the reality is Kamara isn't worth that to us or ever going to be paid that by us.
A 16,000% return. Not a bad bit of business.£8m for a guy who cost £50k less than a year ago would be incredible business.
£8m is more than fair for Kamara.
When you buy potential, you're taking a risk. And right now, while Kamara is good, what is attractive for the English clubs is his potential.
£8m with a 10% of his next sale and that is phenomenal business.
Did the Tim's pay Tierney 25 million pound wages?Or Dembele for that matter? No.So that's not how it works at all.There’s always a lot of big chat on here demanding big prices but fact of the matter is if he’s worth 30m plus we need to be paying him 30m player wages. That’s how it works.
I like Doc but he's so far put the picture I think we'll struggle to get our money back on him at this rate never mind hit seven figures
Maybe a low fee + a higher sell our percentage for him ?
We need to be realistic
Gerrard is quite transparent in his chat with Morelos and Kamara
One is 100% guaranteed to be here
The other is being talked up & teams mentioned watching
Not good enough.
Yes probably more likely SDF.
By all accounts he did very well at Shrewsbury & is still young, and that’s why I was hoping to hit 1m plus, but maybe the sell on % is more likely.
Truth be told i think we've made a bit of an arse of the docherty situation in the summer. He came off a successful loan spell in league 1, his stock was high and we could surely have found him another loan spell but the english championship this time. A successful loan there and it's not difficult to imagine getting say £2m for him.I like Doc but he's so far out the picture I think we'll struggle to get our money back on him at this rate never mind hit seven figures
Maybe a low fee + a higher sell on percentage for him ?
He's an established international for Finland. It's not exactly Brazil.He's an established international.
The mark up is irrelevant, £8m from England for him is poor.
They paid Dembele big money. He was supposed to be on upwards of 40 grand a week.Did the Tim's pay Tierney 25 million pound wages?Or Dembele for that matter? No.So that's not how it works at all.
I'm taking from that and your earlier reply that Gerrard has been told if he wants to hold onto Alfie in January he needs to be amenable to the sale of other assets?
Which isn't anything shocking - this is part of the manager's job - and as much as I'd be sad to see someone like Kamara go (I personally think he has the attributes to go on to even bigger things) I will also breathe a lot easier knowing it'll go a long way to balancing the books and ensure we're in a stronger financial position moving forward.
Did the Tim's pay Tierney 25 million pound wages?Or Dembele for that matter? No.So that's not how it works at all.
I think this is where Ross Wilson will earn his corn in a way Mark Allen clearly couldn't.
I've no doubts had we had Ross Wilson in the summer we'd have received money for players we wanted gone or were out the picture. Allen failed spectacularly on that front.
Did the Tim's pay Tierney 25 million pound wages?Or Dembele for that matter? No.So that's not how it works at all.
Yes he did.
I honestly think we should consider totally re structuring our pay to players mate.
Less basic & more appearance money / bonuses.
Guys not playing are far more likely to go on that basis.
We'll get more than £30m for Morelos alone
This £20m figure needs to get so far to %^*&. If Morelos was at any other team he would be worth 60-70 million easy. I don't think it's that outrageous we request 30-50 million depending on the team and league. If they don't like it they don't get a future superstar.
£20m and we would have been ripped off something stupid. Keeping Alfredo here next season would probably net us more than £20m so why should we sell for that?
That's less than a 25 million pound player gets nowadays.Mcginn at Hibs went for similar to.what we paid for Helander was he getting what Helander is getting at us?No offence to anyone but the point that you pay a player wages what he's worth on the transfer market is the sort absolute nonsense they come away with on Clyde.They paid Dembele big money. He was supposed to be on upwards of 40 grand a week.
That only really applies if we're buying a 30m player.There’s always a lot of big chat on here demanding big prices but fact of the matter is if he’s worth 30m plus we need to be paying him 30m player wages. That’s how it works.
Selling 2 players for less than their true market worth isn't stunning to me.
That's less than a 25 million pound player gets nowadays.Mcginn at Hibs went for similar to.what we paid for Helander was he getting what Helander is getting at us?No offence to anyone but the point that you pay a player wages what he's worth on the transfer market is the sort absolute nonsense they come away with on Clyde.
The other factor of course could be that they have a really good target already identified for 1-2m HH.
Clubs like Slovan & other Eastern European clubs would be very happy to get 2m for a player.
Answer is no.25 million pound players are on 60 70 k a week.Who's getting or was getting that at Parkhead.Sort of thing Hugh Keevins would come away with on Clyde.Seen their wage bill compared to ours? The answer is yes.
He's an established international for Finland. It's not exactly Brazil.
Ask yourself: can we replace Kamara for 2m of that 8m fee? If you can, then you make the deal.
Great idea in theory in practice players will be reluctant to sign for the Club when large amounts of their income is not guaranteed. Depends on the scale you’re talking about.
Poster said you have to pay players the sort of wages that a 25 million pound player gets if you expect to get 25 million for them.No one is actually saying that....
Indeed. I like to think this is where Ross Wilson will come in - broadening our horizons with a more extensive contact list than Allen had.
Poster said you have to pay players the sort of wages that a 25 million pound player gets if you expect to get 25 million for them.
Get a reality check .Haha, away and boil yer heid Bain
Answer is no.25 million pound players are on 60 70 k a week.Who's getting or was getting that at Parkhead.Sort of thing Hugh Keevins would come away with on Clyde.
Lewis Ferguson has potential but I don't see him as a Rangers player any time soon.Absolutely not for me.
Selling Kamara for £8m is one thing. Replacing him with Lewis Ferguson at a vastly inflated price (This is Aberdeen we're talking about here) shouldn't even be on our radar.
1. He's not worth that sort of outlay
2. His dad and his uncle are toxic IMO.
As a wise man said to me last night "Gerrard wouldn't be able to fart in the dressing room without it getting back to Barry and Derek". Christ, Lewis Ferguson wouldn't be able to concentrate without Barry asking him every two minutes "Have you put in a good word to Steven for me ?"
Kamara didn’t actually cost a cent. The £50k was a token payment for him to be released early.
£8m is a big mark up. If this is genuine, sadly he’ll be off.
Sort of proves that wages mean nothing when it comes to transfer value.Brown and Sinclair are on near 50k
Was Tierney on £25m player wages?There’s always a lot of big chat on here demanding big prices but fact of the matter is if he’s worth 30m plus we need to be paying him 30m player wages. That’s how it works.
Sort of proves that wages mean nothing when it comes to transfer value.
Wanyama - 12.5m more than 6 years ago.I rate Kamara but the point is guys like him dont tend to go for huge fees unless they prove themselves at the highest level.
Think we all know that. But we can't be selling people under their market value either.When an English team comes in for anyone now you need to squeeze everything you can out of them.McGinn being such a success down there helps us in that respect.We cant have this toys out the pram routing every time we sell a player, since Gerrard came in we have sold 1 player for decent money in Windass.
We cant keep buying and not selling its not sustainable.
Think we all know that. But we can't be selling people under their market value either.When an English team comes in for anyone now you need to squeeze everything you can out of them.McGinn being such a success down there helps us in that respect.
The last player that went for real money was hutton.Haha, away and boil yer heid Bain
You can criticise Allen and he's due it up to a point. But don't forget to question the wisdom of signing off on four year contracts for the likes of Jason Holt and Andy Halliday. Factor in Joe Dodoo on good money and players wanting to sit tight because they can't get similar deals elsewhere, then Allen will always look bad for not being able to move guys on.I think this is where Ross Wilson will earn his corn in a way Mark Allen clearly couldn't.
I've no doubts had we had Ross Wilson in the summer we'd have received money for players we wanted gone or were out the picture. Allen failed spectacularly on that front.
Already said elsewhere McGinn from Hibs went for similar to what we paid for Helander. Were Hibs paying him what we or the Italians were paying Helander?Not even close. Duncan Ferguson years ago 4 million what were Dundee Utd paying him? Hutton when he went from Spurs was he earning 9 million pound player wages? Wages mean nothing.Really doesn’t. I flat out disagree with you. It has an influence, it’s not the be all end all but it is hugely important when it comes to retaining a player, keeping them happy and conducting professional transfer business. You genuinely trying to tell me the now the wages a player is on doesn’t tell a buying Club exactly what the selling Club truly values him at? Other factors like age, potential and ability will skew the final figures before the sale but the wages are a big factor.
That’s the angle agents take literally all the time.